Residential or Powerline?

[clearance]

I was told that the ISA has different rules for climbing trees with spurs for powerline clearance than for residential trees. So, what about trees in a residential area that are close to high voltage, some on home owners property?

Nevermind the usual "no spurs, you hack etc". What about these trees that are both? Are they residential trees or is it acceptable to spur them?

Again, I don't mean trees out in the bush on a r.o.w.. I mean trees that cannot be trimmed with a bucket truck. Right in your backyard.

 

[Jon22]

I only spike residential trees if they are reciving a nice utility hack. This may be a lame cop-out but if the tree is going to be disfigured by utility prunning wearing hooks to increase your saftey and production is fine with me.
:chainsawguy:
Go easy on me now...

 

[rob b]

Its part of the job in this business. The utility supports it and to keep them happy you have to have the production up. When I do private work i only use spikes on take downs.

 

[ddhlakebound]

It's a bit different here....

ROW trees get spiked like everywhere else, but yard trees by the lines are done spikeless. I'm sure some get spiked now and then, but for the most part residential ROW trees are only butchered, not spiked and butchered.

 

[fishercat]

no spikes here is all about asthetics.

as with everything here,it's all about appearance.regardless of the truth.

i'm sure it may not be too good for some species but i spurred on some trees in my yard a couple years ago just to see for myself.you can't tell i ever did it today.

 

[Sunrise Guy]

I spiked up a Hackberry in my yard, three years ago, and I can still see the scars. Spiking is for take-downs and emergency rescue work, if you want to follow letter-of-the-law ANSI Standards, which ISA does. In practice, on ROW gigs, just about anything goes, depending on who's in charge and how often he actually takes a look at what's being done. For the good of the trees, leave the spikes off, if you can.

 

[outofmytree]

Over here you need a Western Power ticket to prune around power lines with differing grades for higher voltages. I have prune domestic and street lines and if I cannot use a bucket then I climb spurless. I quote my price for the job done my way. If the HO wants it done differently they need a different company and I tell them so.

 

[lxt]

Over here you need a Western Power ticket to prune around power lines with differing grades for higher voltages. I have prune domestic and street lines and if I cannot use a bucket then I climb spurless. I quote my price for the job done my way. If the HO wants it done differently they need a different company and I tell them so.

Basically similar to over here, get your journeyman ticket & your good...Line voltage doesnt matter though...it will all kill ya!! you just have to know your approach distances.

Wow, you would not make it over here!!! If you told Mr smith to choose another Company...the word of mouth would destroy you atleast in my area!
best thing to do is over bid it big time if you dont want to do what the HO wants!!



LXT..................

 

[outofmytree]

as with everything here,it's all about appearance.regardless of the truth.

i'm sure it may not be too good for some species but i spurred on some trees in my yard a couple years ago just to see for myself.you can't tell i ever did it today.

My mentor in the climbing game, Gary Harding, is a widely regarded arborist with 20 plus years on the tools and he has done everything. I mean everything. UHV clearance, crane work, bucket work, remote access work, rare species seed collection, the lot. A friend of his PM'd some of the trees he spiked to collect seeds 10 years ago and found the bark grew over and you could not see where he had been. Under the bark was a different story. You could pick the direction of travel by the brown "pools" of decaying tissue around each entry point. After that, he hung up his spurs unless it was a removal.

The outside of a tree may not tell the whole story. Spurs make wounds, wounds are bad. Maybe not enough to kill the tree but certainly it will need to use energy to seal off the damage. Which means that it will be less able to fight off other problems. It is my opinion that as arborists it is our job to do the best we can to preserve trees. You only get to remove them once but you can be paid over and over again to prune them if you are good at keeping them healthy!

 

[EdenT]

Nevermind the usual "no spurs, you hack etc". What about these trees that are both? Are they residential trees or is it acceptable to spur them?

No! The utility will have (should have) notified the HO well before safety for the arborist due to approach becomes an issue. It is incumbent on any person providing a quote for work on private land, and claiming to work to standard to allow for the extra bit of time for the climber to ascend the tree in an appropriate manner.

 

[lxt]

Front yard trees....no spikes!

ROW....it all depends, if I can with out I will..but most of the time its some 60ft ground to sky skinny azzed locust, cherry, maple, etc... so spikes in the ROW were always a go!!



LXT..........

 

[outofmytree]

Wow, you would not make it over here!!! If you told Mr smith to choose another Company...the word of mouth would destroy you atleast in my area!
best thing to do is over bid it big time if you dont want to do what the HO wants!!



LXT..................

Wow. I would make a killing in your area. However there will already be guys like me, who choose principle over profit, taking work all over your home town.

There are 2 kinds of business owners. Those that choose to do quality work and charge a quality price and those that bend over and take whatever they can get. Im guessing you are the latter.

 

[fishercat]

i only spike on removals.

I spiked up a Hackberry in my yard, three years ago, and I can still see the scars. Spiking is for take-downs and emergency rescue work, if you want to follow letter-of-the-law ANSI Standards, which ISA does. In practice, on ROW gigs, just about anything goes, depending on who's in charge and how often he actually takes a look at what's being done. For the good of the trees, leave the spikes off, if you can.

i do not have an arborist license in Connecticut which is required to prune and/or trim.i pretty much only do removals.i will take a limb or two off another tree or dead limb an oak for a customer if i am already doing a removal for them.

a lot of guys here do not follow the rules but i try and make a habit of it just to avoid any headaches in the future.

 

[lxt]

Wow. I would make a killing in your area. However there will already be guys like me, who choose principle over profit, taking work all over your home town.

There are 2 kinds of business owners. Those that choose to do quality work and charge a quality price and those that bend over and take whatever they can get. Im guessing you are the latter.

Have you ever worked Line Clearance? I asked before & you never answered what companies have you worked for?

I doubt you`d make a killing little fella!!! Honestly I dont think you could do ROW line clearance!!!!! when is the last time you had to climb & trim/remove 16 trees a day in an 8hr period around powerlines? prolly never!! Try duck walking while swinging an ms 460 like a hydro axe to clear the brush on the ROW....by the way 2 spans are the production requirement & all brush will be placed at the side of the ROW & mulched down with the chainsaw!!

Do you even know what ROW stands for? LOL

Ya see oomt.....utilities want clearance, the companies want production & you would wet yourself in the thought of trying to do either

Maybe you should go get a lesson off Ekka!! cause he has much more commonsense, intelligence & is a far better "treeguy" than you will ever hope to be!!! sad thing is he prolly dont want you, shame you could a learned alot!!

BTW...My company in my area does a good, reputable job with a great team of men...I couldnt ask for better & I take care of em!!!



LXT......................

 

[outofmytree]

Have you ever worked Line Clearance? I asked before & you never answered what companies have you worked for?

I doubt you`d make a killing little fella!!! Honestly I dont think you could do ROW line clearance!!!!! when is the last time you had to climb & trim/remove 16 trees a day in an 8hr period around powerlines? prolly never!! Try duck walking while swinging an ms 460 like a hydro axe to clear the brush on the ROW....by the way 2 spans are the production requirement & all brush will be placed at the side of the ROW & mulched down with the chainsaw!!

Do you even know what ROW stands for? LOL

Ya see oomt.....utilities want clearance, the companies want production & you would wet yourself in the thought of trying to do either

Maybe you should go get a lesson off Ekka!! cause he has much more commonsense, intelligence & is a far better "treeguy" than you will ever hope to be!!! sad thing is he prolly dont want you, shame you could a learned alot!!

BTW...My company in my area does a good, reputable job with a great team of men...I couldnt ask for better & I take care of em!!!



LXT......................

Man you must have a black belt in ignorance. Either that or you suffer from chronic dyslexia. Read this again slowly, like in pre school one word at a time.


This is the OP

So, what about trees in a residential area that are close to high voltage, some on home owners property?

Which in case you have trouble with words of more than one syllable is a question about trees on private property that interfere with power lines.

Here is my response

Over here you need a Western Power ticket to prune around power lines with differing grades for higher voltages. I have pruned domestic and street lines and if I cannot use a bucket then I climb spurless. I quote my price for the job done my way. If the HO wants it done differently they need a different company and I tell them so.

Note I am referring to the HO as the client. So clearly, to anyone with half a brain I am referring directly to the OP's question as to other peoples opinions on domestic work. Is that clear now?

As to the rest of your rant, I do not do, nor have I ever claimed to have done any form of commercial line clearance.

 

[lxt]

As to the rest of your rant, I do not do, nor have I ever claimed to have done any form of commercial line clearance.

Then shut the Hell up!!!



Guys.....ole oomt knows all about how things should be done, listen to em!!


just like the rest of the crap you post........you havent got a clue about what we are talking about! how would you say it in australian????

bugger off!!


LXT.............

 

[treeslayer]

opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:opcorn:

wintertime sure is fun on here.

 

[lxt]

It is fun, uhh? then you have Idiots like Larrythecableguy coming to the aide of oomt!!!

So lavender Larry, you felt the need to negative Rep me!! oh well, all I can say is you & oomt must be Bun Boys or something!!

Besides, many more Positives from many others!!


LXT.............

 

[outofmytree]

Then shut the Hell up!!!



Guys.....ole oomt knows all about how things should be done, listen to em!!


just like the rest of the crap you post........you havent got a clue about what we are talking about! how would you say it in australian????

bugger off!!


LXT.............

In Australian we would say "harden up princess" because if you need them stilletos to climb trees for pruning you belong in ballet classes.

 

[clearance]

In Australian we would say "harden up princess" because if you need them stilletos to climb trees for pruning you belong in ballet classes.

When you are above a three phase on a skinny tree tree that leans close to it, you may wish you had spurs on. But you have never done powerline work, so you really have no clue, maybe a few inklings, but it takes ten inklings to make a clue.

Thank you all for responding, but what I really asked was, according to your understanding of ISA rules, are these trees powerline trees because they are by a powerline, or residential trees because they are front of a residence?