Respectable Race Chain

[Dennis Cahoon]

To Dennis-MPV
Talk about jumping on the "Bashing Bandwagon"!!! Obviously my comment offended you, but I cannot figure out why. I made a ligitimate suggestion- To get off the computer and experiment with some chain of your own.
I don't know what your location on this planet has to do with testing your chain making abilities? I haven't always been, in your words "the best in my era", but I have worked hard to have my saws and chains consistently win. I learned a lot from going to contests; from my own testing and experimentation, but also from guys at the contests. Believe it or not, if you approach people POLITELY they will help you with your race chain or saw building. When guys approach me at contests, I offer any help I can. I helped Rotax Robert this year at Morton, WA with his stock chain. He showed up with 89 driver chain, instead of 91. He wouldn't have been able to run if I hadn't given him the extra links and loaned him my breaker and spinner. On Sunday I helped him figure out his ignition problem on his Rotax so he could make a decent run.
Dennis-MPV, you said that I didn't deserve your respest or the respect of others. You don't even know me. Come to a contest and put your money where your mouth is. And as far as threatening to ban me from your web site forum- Big Deal. Your loss. I can still read it when I need a good laugh.
Remember this you can learn from people two ways- What to do and what not to do. This is how I see your forum, and if you don't see it that way, then I think you're missing the big picture. That's why people race, in any sport, to try their ideas and technology against other peoples. Hopefully I have restated what I was trying to say the first time. Build a chain, test it at home repeatedly (notice no travel required), and when you have fine tuned what you have, put it to the test against a jury of your peers. You might surprise yourself, and have a good time in the mix.
I notice that you live in British Columbia. We travel up to your neck of the woods for contests during the race season. I have raced at Squamish and Powell River. In fact, the last time I was at Powell River I won the North American Unlimited Hot Saw Championship. So take my challenge, build a chain and I'll see you at one of those contests next season.

RESPECTFULLY,

Dennis Cahoon

 

[whodunnit]

( Originally posted by Dennis Cahoon )
Hey chainsaw Nerds, Cant' you tell when somebodys bull????ing you all these chainsaw and chainbuilding facts? The real story comes from going to the races and talking to people that make and run these things. Dont' belive all the facts you hear from this forum. You have test & test & test, on your own. Maybe you see good intenions here, but I see some old ideas and some copycat uses too! Lets put it this way Arts not the man, and he didnt' invent the race chain. Go out and make a chain for yourself and try some racing. Then you will really no for yourself what works and what doesnt' This isnt' the 60's.


Let's face it, you came off with an attitude on this your second post! You wonder why you got treated the way you did!!!


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[Jacob J.]

The first post on race chain made by 'theman' was confusing, for several reasons.

1.- His intentions seemed to be on undermining the credibility of another member of this forum, Art Martin.

2.- "theman", Tommy Fales Jr., gave his name as "Noel Wickstrom". Perhaps this Noel Wickstrom could be "oldgrowth", who claimed to share Tommy's bed, but "old growth" gave their name initially as "bob", does this lead me to the conclusion that Mr. Fales shares his bed with a person named "Bob" or "Robert Noel Wickstrom?"

3.- trying to destroy someone else's credibility while compromising your own is uhm, kind of a stupid thing to do.

4.- The respective towns given in the IDs may be correct, however posts by "theman" and "old growth" have the same IP address, which is not possible in separate locations unless one or the other user is hosting the others under a static IP address, which is hardly plausible, given the complexity of setting such a system up, and the one user here capable of doing so, D. Babcock, was last seen chasing bison with a spear and an obsidian axe.

5.- I have way too much time on my hands.

 

[ccicora]

Dennis C.,
Thank you for your post. I know you have several years experience in racing saws and have seen as many set ups on race saws.
I have read the Art pages and have learned about making chain from them and have spent several hours looking over competitors chains. I only know of 1 Art chain that in run here in the New York at the NYSLA.... and that is run on my wives 395. Its a fast chain but is the wrong set up for me to go fast in our wood. My best time with that chain is 4.53 in an 8x8 white pine from a dead start. But a chain I made as a back up after I crashed my KD chain using some of Art's principals, I ran a 3.7 at two different shows on both white pine and aspen.
What I am saying is you are very right in saying that you must test your set-ups. And the best place is in a race against some of the best competitors like here in NY. The more I race the faster I become. Also, the more refined my saw set up becomes.
I have also extended the same invitation out to come to a race and play with the big boys and their toys (I even posted my schedule). To this day not one of the members who have called me out on the carpet have come to a race at a show I am at. But I have had several other members approach me at shows and have carried on very good conversations about the many aspects of saw racing.

Thanks again,
Chris

 

[Dennis Cahoon]

RockyJSquirrel's Tastes

RockyJSquirrel,
You imply that I have erectile dysfunction, but I notice in your picture your eating nuts. Care to come out of the closet?
Signed,
So Hard a Cat Couldn't Scratch It

 

[MasterBlaster]

Haywood Jablowme? What a strange name!




Hugh G. Rection

 

[user 2993]

It's this sort of stuff that makes me realise, "Hey, I actually do have a life! "
Thanks for putting things in perspective, Mr. Cahoon+friends

 

[Jacob J.]

Chris-

I think you mentioned one of the most important aspects often overlooked in race prep.- "What am I going to be cutting??"

I'm not a racer but I fall timber for a living and you can bet I run different chain in the hardwoods than I do in the softwoods.

 

[Dennis Cahoon]

Hey Chris-Stihlman036,
It's good to hear from you, and appreciate your imput. I've raced in New Hampshire a couple of times. Pretty country. I hope to make it to Boonville, NY so time in the future. Email if you ever want to talk racechain. This forum seems to get a little dramatic at times. There are other ways to thin a chain than from the outside.
Keep trying-Keep Racing,
Dennis

 

[sawracr]

Hi Dennis, what we saw in the other post was as ridiculous as you or I jumping on Ken Dunn, and telling him he doesn't know how to build saws! If a person is looking for respect, he can show respect to the person that wiped his snotty nose, and helped him learn, what he now thinks he learned thru osmosis, if not, then as some have put it," he could be an ass". See Ya in PLacerville
Jon
P.S. Dennis MVP is a hard working young man, with his own business and has to keep an eye on us, his spare time is little or none, but like the rest of us enjoys good running saws.

 

[jokers]

I`ll make no bones about hoping to learn something from "Haywood". The fact that he can be obnoxious, while not ingratiating to most people, makes me wonder if we may be related, LOL.

While I know nothing more of the story between Art and Tom than what I could surmise from reading the "racing chain" thread, I do agree with sawracr that you can`t get respect by forcibly taking it from someone else. Maybe some of us do have misconceptions about Art on some level, but Art is our friend who has been posting here for awhile, and who has tutored us on a subject which most of us know nothing about. Of course we are going to defend him against an unknown foe. That isn`t hard to understand and it doesn`t make us bad people, quite the contrary from my perspective. The same sort of benevolence applies to Dennis G., another friend who isn`t any more perfect than anyone else but is still a friend. Dennis C., Tom, Lisa, the same will apply to you if you are interested enough to hang out here occassionaly, giving and taking. I don`t mean to sound as if I`m talking down, just trying to express how I felt about that whole thread which brought out some noble intentions but also the worst in us as a group.

Chris, I don`t recall anyone calling you "out on the carpet". Was I involved? I know that you provided me with your schedule and even an invitation to a meeting of your club, but so far I just can`t do it, even when you were in my own backyard a couple of weeks ago. I`m one of those losers with a rotating shift and even with the 200 days a year that I get off, I never seem to be off on the days I want. I`m sorry if you took that as any sort of message.

Russ

 

[Rotax Robert]

Another great thread. Although I have never raced Mr. Fales, I would love to have the chance and probably will do so soon. I also enjoy racing against Cahoon, Johnson, Holis, Lentz and a host of others that tour through my area. Both Dennis Cohoon and Steve Johnson helped me get through at Morton this year and without thier help I would have had to go home early. I can also remember loaning my Rotax bar the year before to Mel lentz so that he could race, What goes around comes around.

To D. Cahoon, thankyou and you were generous and I have learned much from you and others but I will say this, Mr. Art Martin has helped me learn to file and attempt to improve upon my skills from a 1000 miles away. My chains are not as fast as Arts but I am getting closer and Art has been willing to teach and or help in anyway he can much like you did for me a month or so ago. Remember this though I was only .01 behind you in the race and the fastest in qualifing, so I will be knocking on your door next year also. Infact I will probably be knocking on your door in late september just to stop by and say hello.

Rotax Robert

 

[Dennis Cahoon]

Robert Don't think for a second that I can't lose a race, but when I do I try my best to figure out why and not do it again. That's why chain racing with a stock motor is so hard to win, but put in a good hot saw motor with a good chain and the difference spreads way out. I don't remember you telling your Hot Saw times from Morton. Mine was 2.66 Sat. & 2.59 Sun. I think your fastest time was 3.30 so getting Art to just sharpen your chain isn't going to cut it. Anotherwords you better get rid of that Rotax and buy a 5OO Honda from me. Stop by and run one!
Dennis

 

[tony marks]

mr. cahoon..
u obviously know your stuff. but the issues between u and art appear to me,, to go back into history . a history we dont know anything about...the best post ive seen was real logger by art martin...
loaded with history of the saws and logging...
dont tell us we being conned ,,contribute as mr martin has.
u could obviously be a plus on the site.
but with a positive objective attitude ,,i hope... we all put our pants on the same way,, so no gods here ,,just working men that enjoy saws. no offense ,and i hope u will be willing to be a part.
another forum i know of just about did itself in ,,because the members got to thinking they had to post as if they all already knew about everything. got kinda dull.

 

[Dennis]

Mr Cahoon, and Mr Fales, I do build my own chain, its not very fast..but getting better.......Without help of people like Art Martin, I wouldn't have a clue how to build it. I also build my own motors, but without the help of Ken Dunn, they wouldn't be fast either. I have taken the time to go to their respective houses, once again drink from their cups, and learn from them. I do testing on my own, and make adjustments when necessary.

But for the two of you to jump on Arboristsite and start slamming someone who has so freely helped all of us is absolutely ridiculous. Maybe you can build a better chain, so what? Give us some lessons on your style...take some pictures...

I would love to have the opportunity to race against you guys just for the experience. I know I wouldn't win, especially with the Rotax..lol...(I have an issue with Rotax's, they have a tendancy to fall in the dirt)

I host a small show here in BC as well, I don't know if Powell River or Squamish will run again...but you are welcome to come and play, hell, you might even have a good time.


-Like sands through the hourglass........so are the days of our lives.

 

[Rotax Robert]

Here are the times from Morton for those of you who missed them. Cahoons 500cc hotsaw came within .10 sec. of the worlds record through a 27" cottonwood. Dennis you are right, it is next to impossible to beat a 500cc with a 325cc. Hope to see you at pauls show in Oroville.

Hot Saw

Dennis Cahoon 2.59
Steve Johnson 3.16
Robert Andrews 3.37
Rolin Eslinger 3.45
Jeff Skirvin 3.45
Jim Taylor 3.62


Stock Saw

Dennis Cahoon 11.21
Robert Andrews 11.22
Jim Taylor 11.43
T.J. Bexten 11.60
James Lev 11.87
Steve Johnson 12.40

 

[Crofter]

Bad aftertaste.

This thread and what lead up to it sure has some sour whiners.

If you are the best don't worry about not getting the proper recognition; in fact you couldn't keep it a secret if you tried. In the meantime,

"Self praise is the poorest recommendation"

Frank

 

[Gypo Logger]

Never being the type to fight someone elses battle, you gotta hand it to these new guys for coming in here like a " Bull in a China Shop". New blood is always welcome, and if the boys wanna fight, then let em'.
We all know where we have been and who has helped us along the way.
Art Martin and Ken Dunn have helped me the most in my chainsaw endevours, and I will never forget that, but like Jon Rupley, the gentle giant says, we learn lots by osmosis.
Hang in there guys, life is evolutionary, not revolutionary.
Gypo Logger

 

[Jacob J.]

I couldn't count all the people that have helped me- via the internet here or otherwise. DozerDan, DozerDunn, Dig-DoggityRupely, Dennis MVP, J. Sikkema, The Art of racechain Martin, and John the Gypo were all great help and internet pioneers here.

 

[Rotax Robert]

Here is Gypo posing with a few of Art martins wall-hangers...I imagine Art may have cashed a check or too also.