Ripped out poplar ( yeah I'm a trolling)

[Slvrmple72]

Did ya already quote the job? I hope you left some room for a crane. If you are seeing daylight then those three tearouts have left a hole in the heart and you don't want to be on that "straw" when/if it collapses! Stay safe, would hate to not have you around.-Kevin

 

[murphy4trees]

tough to tell from the pics..
I would set a line in the top and give it a few pulls and see how the tree moves.. You can pretty much tell by feel if the tree is ready to fail..

I would think you'd be ok pretty much no matter how much decay there is as long as you are bombing everything. But lowering is a different story... I'd be careful who was running the ropes and use something with a lot of stretch in it... true blue or hi-v..

And trust your instinct.. you already know what needs to be done and how to do it!

 

[ropensaddle]

Its still an option.

If it is an option then crane it. Poplar defect bucket or crane or climb
it seems crane sticks out in my mind. I could not sell it here but if I
could a crane would be in my future plans. No matter how you do it
stay safe and post pics.

 

[CentaurG2]

Crane 4 to 5 picks, ½ days work. If homeowner was willing to keep the wood, might sweeten the deal a little.

 

[treevet]

Every big pick you take unbalances the canopy (and you are tied in to the tree while unbalancing it and then booming it). Tulip (Lirodendron) is heavy and brittle. I'd climb off the crane and go small and keep some semblance of balance if it is that bad (if you cannot rent a bucket big enough).

Best scenario...big bucket and crane. If not how about 2 cranes? (I have seen it done and done it)...If not climb off the crane and go small with no rigging.

This is why when choosing how to increase your fleet, a truck crane and then a bigger picker (75 foot) to go with my 55' was my choice. Bigger picker doesn't go out that much, but when it does it makes big bucks and my a$$ is safer. Old 88 GMC with 70 foot RO crane and 25 foot jib, goes out all the time. I bought it for less than $20K. You only got one life to give...... be safe or walk on that job IMO. Good Luck.

 

[John464]

the question on whether the tree is safe to rope off of. Id say that tree is safe when using proper judgement.If a few large branches were ripped off with no other signs of harzards and the tree is holding atleast 1/2 of diamter of live holding wood at the fault point Id have no problem lowering above. Unless there is some major cracks down the trunk or hollow/rot I think an experienced pro such as yourself would use common sense. Just use your best judgement. I wouldnt be able to tell from the pics pics or even from the ground how small of pieces are safe to rope off. To me thats something that I always determine in a hazard tree when I'm up there.

Will that wound hold up while roping? Yes, but needs to be done with extra caution.

 

[treevet]

I think i can bomb most of it with no rope. There are actually 3 tear outs right at the same height. One I cleaned up last summer

That is the Ho right there. look at the size of the butt of that limb. It just missed crushing his house. He called me a week ago to remove the tree.

I looked at the 3 tear out wounds with binocs. I can see daylight throught the trunk. Not a lot. The older wounds don't look to bad. I don't know how long ago they ripped out.

Just look at the size of the lead that tore out (look behind him!). There were other tear outs and he can "see through the trunk. Better to err on the side of caution. If I was younger I wouldn't think that way. But if you do, ...you are likely to get older.

 

[ropensaddle]

Just look at the size of the lead that tore out (look behind him!). There were other tear outs and he can "see through the trunk. Better to err on the side of caution. If I was younger I wouldn't think that way. But if you do, ...you are likely to get older.

:agree2: If as he says, crane is in the options list, I would not have a
second thought poplar is not too stable ime!

 

[Nailsbeats]

Dan, take 2 of the chainsaws off your belt when you get above the bad part and you should be good, lol.

 

[John464]

Oh if there is a hole through the middle of it than ya a crane should be used. I dont see any hole in the pics. Looks to me that maybe 1/3 the diameter of trunk loss. That leaves which looks to be 2/3 solid live wood. That to me would be ok to climb above long is there is no further defects.

 

[custom8726]

Poplars make me nervous when they have that much decay and tears. If you can utilize a crane I would say thats your answer. If not atleast a bucket would be nice.

 

[Blakesmaster]

Have you factored in the weight of the branches that ripped out? I'd bet they weigh a bit more than you therefore the tree is used to a lot more weight than you will put on it. Climb on up there and get 'er done, Dan.

 

[Plasmech]

Have you factored in the weight of the branches that ripped out? I'd bet they weigh a bit more than you therefore the tree is used to a lot more weight than you will put on it. Climb on up there and get 'er done, Dan.

I was wondering about that concept on all trees...that once you start removing weight, it "only gets safer" from then on. Now obviously that statement is disregarding the other 500 things that could kill you...

I also wonder if it could work against you. Say for example you are blocking down a leaner, and the shock of the weight bombing away snaps some hidden weakness below you...a nightmare. Anyone ever heard of this?

Sorry for posting in the big boys forum BTW

 

[JeffL]

The fresh wound wouldnt bother me too much, but how far up the trunk is that old cluster of wounds shown in your second pic? That looks kinda sketchy, live wood looks kinda scarce in that spot.

 

[treeseer]

The codom above the tearouts is another concern. maybe spike it to stand in the codom tie in above and cut the ends off with a 22' huayuche?

very shaky structure; i would put very little load on that old tearout.

never saw a tulip so prone to codoms before!

 

[Blakesmaster]

I was wondering about that concept on all trees...that once you start removing weight, it "only gets safer" from then on. Now obviously that statement is disregarding the other 500 things that could kill you...

I also wonder if it could work against you. Say for example you are blocking down a leaner, and the shock of the weight bombing away snaps some hidden weakness below you...a nightmare. Anyone ever heard of this?

Sorry for posting in the big boys forum BTW

Yeah, you shouldn't have read that. Those ripped out limbs may make less weight but they tore a good portion of the tree's structure out as well. If you're CUTTING off limbs then what I said applies, otherwise it was just me effin' w/ da Dan.

 

[alloutdoorsboy]

I wouldnt be too worried about climbing it. Im sure its stood through a few storms which will exert way more force on it than you rigging off of it. If you are still worried about it why not just use 3 ropes to "guy" it so it cannt fall then you would be safe as houses.......

 

[ozzy42]

I could do it out of my bucket even if it were 85 ' I would set a rope with my silky and tie limbs off small as I have to cut them with the silky if necessary. I remember climbing many trees with defects and not even thinking about them failing but now that I am older I get the chicken syndrome. I still climb dead and many I should not but no more dead pines with peckerwood holes in them twenty five foot below my tip! That tree would likely be fine but there is the what if and caution combined with experiance is a better route we know you will find a safe solution

I couldn't agree with you more.
I think the "invincabilty" thing decreases with the addition
of 25lbs,and 25 yrs.
I look back at the crazy stuff I would do in my youth,and
wonder how I ever survived.....Live ,and learn eh?

 

[BC WetCoast]

Was there any significant activity or action that caused the tearouts, such as storms or snow?

 

[treeoperations]

is it possible to use a sky line but not just set the sky line in the top of the tree, can you either tie it to a bigger tree behind it, or run it through a crotch or false crotch and tie it off on the ground so you are loading it straight up and down and not pulling it to the side, thats how i would do it if the crane or buckets not a option. if your really worried just do smaller bits.
just my 2 cents