Rope pulling training?

[Bigus Termitius]

Is this the same guy who was complaining, becouse his groundie could not pull a top through another tree, a few weeks back.
Pulling a top through another tree is going to get you hurt really bad, sooner than later.


jrietkerk
As for one day putting all of the power under ground- keep dreaming. For small developments it will happen. But until they come up with a super conductor the idea of running transmission power under ground is not economically viable.
By the way have you ever seen an under ground ROW? How many trees are on it?

SHHHHHH! Don't burst his bubble...let him dream, even if he had forgotten about roots.

 

[Bigus Termitius]

As far as being the master, I am not, I stand on the shoulders of better CUAs., who taught me. As far as planting trees, never have, but I juvenile spaced for two years, building forests, does that count? Now there Jkerk, what is it that you do, for starters, do you actually work, or do you just tell people what to do?

I see you are a municipal arborist, in that hotbed of treehugging doo-gooders, the David Anderson zone. Your statement "big holes in the urban forest that powerlines create" now thats a good one. Fact is, if transmission lines were not there the land would probably be developed, no trees, no little trees, no bushes, no nothing, just condos and parking lots.

As far as powerlines all being put under ground, sure in new developments, because the developer pays for it. B.C. Hydro will not be putting lines underground on thier own because of the tremendous cost. The money would have to come from customers, B.C. Hydro would have to appear before the Utilities Commisssion to raise rates. Everyone in the province would scream about thier Hydro bill being doubled, including all the treehuggers. Won't happen. And futhermore, where are you going to dig this ditch for the underground line? Down the middle of the road? I think not, probably right in the same place but underground, hmmm, pretty hard on the roots, bye, bye trees.

I have worked for a municipal arborists before on the mainland, the kind that plant trees under powerlines and other wonderfull things, so, I am predesposed to view them all with caution. You ask "are you with us or against us" Tell you what, I'm all for the right trees in the right places, and cutting down the bad trees, hows that?

Et tu brute?

Ya know, you're a real bummer

The last thing we need is some rogue realist running around dropping trees on the delicate dreams of the utopiats.

:greenchainsaw:

Live and let live, bro. What can possibly go wrong with a municipal arborist running about espousing his vision to the villagers?

Imagine. It's easy if you try. :monkey:

 

[ropensaddle]

As far as being the master, I am not, I stand on the shoulders of better CUAs., who taught me. As far as planting trees, never have, but I juvenile spaced for two years, building forests, does that count? Now there Jkerk, what is it that you do, for starters, do you actually work, or do you just tell people what to do?

I see you are a municipal arborist, in that hotbed of treehugging doo-gooders, the David Anderson zone. Your statement "big holes in the urban forest that powerlines create" now thats a good one. Fact is, if transmission lines were not there the land would probably be developed, no trees, no little trees, no bushes, no nothing, just condos and parking lots.

As far as powerlines all being put under ground, sure in new developments, because the developer pays for it. B.C. Hydro will not be putting lines underground on thier own because of the tremendous cost. The money would have to come from customers, B.C. Hydro would have to appear before the Utilities Commisssion to raise rates. Everyone in the province would scream about thier Hydro bill being doubled, including all the treehuggers. Won't happen. And futhermore, where are you going to dig this ditch for the underground line? Down the middle of the road? I think not, probably right in the same place but underground, hmmm, pretty hard on the roots, bye, bye trees.

I have worked for a municipal arborists before on the mainland, the kind that plant trees under powerlines and other wonderfull things, so, I am predesposed to view them all with caution. You ask "are you with us or against us" Tell you what, I'm all for the right trees in the right places, and cutting down the bad trees, hows that?

I will second that planting fast growers under lines, and it took
forty years to build above ground lines how they gonna get all those lines buried . Ever see underground line area, a few years of dead trees.
I do feel most arborists have basic tree selection down however,
so it may be homeowners or disgruntled employees like me planting
tulip poplars and sweetgums under them!

 

[boo]

ever hear of bio barrier?

ever seen studies on electro magnetic fields,power lines,cancer?

ever been in fear for your life while clearing lines?

do you have kids?

as for rope training:
1st rule i use is > be sure of what you have then check it more.

maybe ones most valuable tool is "the ability to reason/figure".
most of the time it's math, sometimes it's not... go figure
sometimes doing it is the easy part, sometimes knowing "what" to do is the easy part.

 

[clearance]

ever hear of bio barrier?

ever seen studies on electro magnetic fields,power lines,cancer?

ever been in fear for your life while clearing lines?

do you have kids?

as for rope training:
1st rule i use is > be sure of what you have then check it more.

maybe ones most valuable tool is "the ability to reason/figure".
most of the time it's math, sometimes it's not... go figure
sometimes doing it is the easy part, sometimes knowing "what" to do is the easy part.

Thanks for that Boo, how about a big thanks from you to all the utility treeguys and lineman out there that provide you with reliable electricity?

Just like those people that eat meat but could never kill, those who use garbage dumps, think that drug rehab facilities are neeed, just as long as its no where around them.

 

[(WLL)]

you is the world record holder dude! Put it on video, or practice up and bring it to a jamboree. I think 13.8 seconds is the current Mark Chisolm record.

last time i checked, bragging rights werent gona pay my bills. there are hundreds of great climbers with no intrest in jamboree's or comp's. thanx but no thanx:angry2:

 

[boo]

Thanks for that Boo, how about a big thanks from you to all the utility treeguys and lineman out there that provide you with reliable electricity?

Just like those people that eat meat but could never kill, those who use garbage dumps, think that drug rehab facilities are neeed, just as long as its no where around them.

was deeper than that Clearance ...sorry
what are costs?
the money for upkeep and maintenance, or the lives at risk doing it, or maybe even the people's lives who are using the power?
I'm not bashing you atall, really i mean to thank you, but i still wish there was no need for your services...... if i had power or not
edit: ohye, I'm also one of those who would rather hunt, fish, and grow my own food.
maybe live completely of the land..

 

[clearance]

Thank you.

 

[jrietkerk]

last time i checked, bragging rights werent gona pay my bills. there are hundreds of great climbers with no intrest in jamboree's or comp's. thanx but no thanx:angry2:

I thought you were bragging with the extra post you put up telling of your time. Wasn't calling you on it, was just giving kudos. If you're not into the jamboree, why set up a 50ft and time yourself?

 

[jrietkerk]

As far as being the master, I am not, I stand on the shoulders of better CUAs., who taught me. As far as planting trees, never have, but I juvenile spaced for two years, building forests, does that count? Now there Jkerk, what is it that you do, for starters, do you actually work, or do you just tell people what to do?

I see you are a municipal arborist, in that hotbed of treehugging doo-gooders, the David Anderson zone. Your statement "big holes in the urban forest that powerlines create" now thats a good one. Fact is, if transmission lines were not there the land would probably be developed, no trees, no little trees, no bushes, no nothing, just condos and parking lots.

As far as powerlines all being put under ground, sure in new developments, because the developer pays for it. B.C. Hydro will not be putting lines underground on thier own because of the tremendous cost. The money would have to come from customers, B.C. Hydro would have to appear before the Utilities Commisssion to raise rates. Everyone in the province would scream about thier Hydro bill being doubled, including all the treehuggers. Won't happen. And futhermore, where are you going to dig this ditch for the underground line? Down the middle of the road? I think not, probably right in the same place but underground, hmmm, pretty hard on the roots, bye, bye trees.

I have worked for a municipal arborists before on the mainland, the kind that plant trees under powerlines and other wonderfull things, so, I am predesposed to view them all with caution. You ask "are you with us or against us" Tell you what, I'm all for the right trees in the right places, and cutting down the bad trees, hows that?

i'm just saying we're all on the same team - not everyone with ISA certification is a nitwit, not all arborists working for municipalities are puppy-makers, just as not all CUA's make savage heading cuts. Hell, some of you might even have planted a tree or 2. (doesn't make you a treehugger either, don't worry) I think there might even be some Aussies who can skate, so turn down the anger dude.

 

[clearance]

i'm just saying we're all on the same team - not everyone with ISA certification is a nitwit, not all arborists working for municipalities are puppy-makers, just as not all CUA's make savage heading cuts. Hell, some of you might even have planted a tree or 2. (doesn't make you a treehugger either, don't worry) I think there might even be some Aussies who can skate, so turn down the anger dude.

Couldn't or wouldn't answer the questions I asked you, like do you actually do treework?, for example. First you said for me to get off my "high horse", now its "turn down the anger dude". I ain't on any horse, my experience is that if anyone is on a high horse it is ISA "dudes". Now, you got set straight on the underground nonsense how 'bout you quit telling me what to do, oh, I forgot, being an arborist, you can't help it.

 

[(WLL)]

I thought you were bragging with the extra post you put up telling of your time. Wasn't calling you on it, was just giving kudos. If you're not into the jamboree, why set up a 50ft and time yourself?

we had a money bet going on. i did win but not by much. Mark is one smooth climber!!!! speed comes with knowlage! i dont give a rats a$$ how fast ya can move. be safe, think twice, & move once!!!

 

[Ekka]

Bugger all ice around here, ever. Cricket season now anyway.

There was never any conclusive evidence as to power lines causing cancer, same with mobile phones. Lot of hogwash.

 

[Bigus Termitius]

ever hear of bio barrier?

All natural sunscreen, right?

ever seen studies on electro magnetic fields,power lines,cancer?

So that's why trees are attracted to the lines! I always knew it was something.

ever been in fear for your life while clearing lines?

Define fear.

do you have kids?

Yep, but they aren't for sale.

as for rope training:
1st rule i use is > be sure of what you have then check it more.

maybe ones most valuable tool is "the ability to reason/figure".
most of the time it's math, sometimes it's not... go figure
sometimes doing it is the easy part, sometimes knowing "what" to do is the easy part.

Deep.

 

[Bigus Termitius]

was deeper than that Clearance ...sorry
what are costs?
the money for upkeep and maintenance, or the lives at risk doing it, or maybe even the people's lives who are using the power?
I'm not bashing you atall, really i mean to thank you, but i still wish there was no need for your services...... if i had power or not
edit: ohye, I'm also one of those who would rather hunt, fish, and grow my own food.
maybe live completely of the land..

Ever considered going Amish?

Boycott electricity today...except for your 5 hp screwdrivers.

Or, to live completely off the land and off the grid consider wind and solar power. Then you can really snub your nose at those barbaric powerlines and poles!

 

[clearance]

Update, recieved a PM from jrietkerk this morning (Dec. 30). He called me cowardly, said he does climb, said all kinds of things about this site, being crappy, etc, and whined about me and my manner. I advised him to say what he has to say here, where everyone can see. By hiding, he has added to my generally negative view of ISA arborists.

I really take issue with this, at this site I have got all kinds of abuse (and some support, thank you) for my views on utility work. I have exposed myself to retribution at work (by personally calling B.S. on a high ranking manager at our utility) to settle an arguement here. Tom Dunlap, of all people, went behind everyones back to report my views to this fellow, instead of being upfront with the fact he knows him. I have advised people about how to work safely around high voltage, which, after all is said and done, is the most important thing of all.

So, again, if you have something to say, good or bad, stand up and say it.
Thank you/Jim

 

[oldirty]

since ive been here youve been saying it the same way. as is, the way you see it. its one of the better point of views offered on this site about what it is you do in your realm of our industry. i respect it man. and by the way that was rather ballsy going to the top the way you did regarding the work practices of BC hydro.



i would love to hear what jrietkerk has to say about this place.

i like this site man. but i dont think there are enough real tree guys here to really know who i am talking to and about what.

and i seem to have put together a pretty good list of people who are ignoring me because everytime i hop into a thread it dies soon after. just because you dont like me doesnt mean yo ushould let a good thread die.

thats lady locker room BS right there.

i would love to have a running dialogue with someone on this site about why they might not like me. i think that would be fun. lol

anyway clearance. keep up with what it is you do. you are maintaining the power. do it how ever you gotta do it to get home on the daily. thats it.

that and love what you do.

stay safe, look up and look out, and have some fun.


oldirty

 

[woodchux]

Youre being too sensitive oldirty...threads dont die because you post... lol

 

[clearance]

Youre being too sensitive oldirty...threads dont die because you post... lol

They die because Old Dirty backs me up and tells it the way it is, him and a few others. So, when its more than just me being the vioce of reason and common sense, those with opinions but lacking experience and knowledge around and about power are put in thier place and stop posting.

It would be nice if those people would learn from us utility guys, I have learned from them, for example I no longer advocate spiking all trees. And so it is, perhaps the new year will bring more respect, I will try and temper my opinions about some people as well.

 

[Dadatwins]

I vote this thread for most derailed this year, started out as a bad rope pulling groundie, that turned into a notch lesson, then over to 'who's the boss' and then the obligatory spikes vs. non, then to line clearance vs. non, then to ISA vs. non, had some footlocking times mixed into ice and hockey and now into who doesn't like who, nana-nana-nana, :spam: all we need now is a good old fashioned :food: fight.