Lumberjack
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Not being racist, that is what we have called it before.
Ropes: stiffness and flexability
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Lumberjack
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But is it paid for?
Nickrosis
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You may not intend to be, but considering that you're saying Mexicans can't afford equipment like chippers, it sure sounds like you're belittling them (which is a racist thing to do). Just something to consider.Lumberjack said:
Even if you're 100% Mexican and are being self-deprecating, I think there are better descriptors.
Lumberjack
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Not where it came from nick
What should I call it? I would HATE to offend anyone!
Oh and saying that mexicans are cheap isnt a cut down, compare the economy, its called a FACT. I have nothing against mexico or mexicans, they are very resourceful and do jobs that americans consider themselves to good to do.
What should I call it? I would HATE to offend anyone!
Oh and saying that mexicans are cheap isnt a cut down, compare the economy, its called a FACT. I have nothing against mexico or mexicans, they are very resourceful and do jobs that americans consider themselves to good to do.
Lumberjack
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"They're being racist because they are thinking that, a Mexican chipper could be a compliment because it is resourceful and clever, just like mexicans."
Quoted from an AIM conversation with permission.
Quoted from an AIM conversation with permission.
Stumper
One Man Band
Carl, Stop being obtuse. (I'm ignoring what you call your hauling rig .I'm talking about rope) I understand your hesitancy to buy an expensive rope to unload brush. Fine. While cost per foot isn't much different for bull ropes compared to climbing ropes having to buy 150 feet hanks makes it pricey. I gave you a nice cheap alternative and you come back with an off the cuff-"3 strand wouldn't be strong enough". Are you not aware that some of the world's largest ships have been anchored with 3 strand and 4 strand? Laid ropes are not automatically weak because of laid construction. Braids DO have numerous advantages but BEING 3 strand does not make rope weak. 3/4 inch 3-strand nylon will test somewhere between 10,000 and 13,500 lbs tensile depending upon manufacturer, hardness of lay and whether it is filament or spun. It will also be easily spliced and cost you relatively little. Pay attention!
Lumberjack
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Justin, I think your over reacting, I am not being obtuse, I rarely am as I understand the definition.
I get the Saftey Pro I mentioned in short lengths, up to 75' for around 30 bucks. I started off using them as a short rigging line for natural crotches then they where retired to using to tie down the trailer and pull it off. I had 3 of them but 2 of them have been used up. This is my last one. I would say that I more than recieved my money from these ropes. The super braid I retired from rigging because it was nicked and lost more than 25% of the cover strands. I also never did like how this rope held a bowline, so instead of throwing the rope away I have been using it to drag off the trailer and other non critical tasks. Once again using ropes that I have retired from regular duty. My climbing line is due to be replaced relatively soon, so I am willing to bet that it will see light rigging duty then probably pulling off the trailer. I perfer not to buy a rope for the sole purpose of pulling off the trailer, unless I recieve a really good deal on it.
3/4" 3 strand Will be somewhat harder to tie a bowline due to the ropes stiffness and sheer size. Also with a MBS of up to 13k pounds the cycles to failure will still be somewhat lower than "unbreakable". Depending on the lay the rope may loose a great deal of strength from being tied in a bowline. 3 strand ropes are normally marked with their poor knot control. So like I said 3 strand is too weak and impractical for my purposes when I have retired ropes from work that have already earned their money back.
I get the Saftey Pro I mentioned in short lengths, up to 75' for around 30 bucks. I started off using them as a short rigging line for natural crotches then they where retired to using to tie down the trailer and pull it off. I had 3 of them but 2 of them have been used up. This is my last one. I would say that I more than recieved my money from these ropes. The super braid I retired from rigging because it was nicked and lost more than 25% of the cover strands. I also never did like how this rope held a bowline, so instead of throwing the rope away I have been using it to drag off the trailer and other non critical tasks. Once again using ropes that I have retired from regular duty. My climbing line is due to be replaced relatively soon, so I am willing to bet that it will see light rigging duty then probably pulling off the trailer. I perfer not to buy a rope for the sole purpose of pulling off the trailer, unless I recieve a really good deal on it.
3/4" 3 strand Will be somewhat harder to tie a bowline due to the ropes stiffness and sheer size. Also with a MBS of up to 13k pounds the cycles to failure will still be somewhat lower than "unbreakable". Depending on the lay the rope may loose a great deal of strength from being tied in a bowline. 3 strand ropes are normally marked with their poor knot control. So like I said 3 strand is too weak and impractical for my purposes when I have retired ropes from work that have already earned their money back.
Stumper
One Man Band
:Monkey: Yes Carl, I'm overreacting. You don't know what you are talking about and I mistakenly tried to educate you. My apologies.
Lumberjack
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Stumper said::Monkey: Yes Carl, I'm overreacting. You don't know what you are talking about and I mistakenly tried to educate you. My apologies.
I have never known us to be cross at each other, this perplexes me. I never considered us to be anything but friends, but it seems that your angry at me for disagreeing with you.
Explain to me how buying a 40' peice of rope that I can only use for pulling stuff off the trailer with makes sense when much more common (and available) 1/2" ropes fit the bill, albiet not perfect but they have worked for a while now. Locally there is no place to buy 3/4" rope (or any real rope for that matter) so I would have to order by the foot from a supplier, just like all the rest of my ropes.
Educate me, seriously I value your input and as always I want to learn. Your anger seems out of character from what I think of you.
Stumper
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Carl, We are friends. And yes I was cross with you. I was somewhat irritable last night. My frustration with you was due to my perception that your mind was made up and you were not interested in anyone else's input. My apologies. Buying a piece of dedicated rope would be to your advantage because every time you bust the other one it costs you time. I don't know how far you are from a basic hardware store but most of them either stock 3/4 inch 3 strand or can order it. A decent store will order a spool of a basic item like this without requiring that you purchase the whole spool or pay shipping etc.The cheap 3/strand nylon isn't actually much cheaper per foot but you don't have to buy big hanks, and it shines in the application you propose. If you buy 4/5 feet longer than you actually must have you'll even have what you need to splice it a couple of times if you ever break or cut it. :angel:
P.S. That 3/4 nylon also happens to be good towline for pulling a pick-up out of wherever you get stuck.
P.S. That 3/4 nylon also happens to be good towline for pulling a pick-up out of wherever you get stuck.
Tom Dunlap
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When I started in treework almost 40 years ago the guy used a single axle flatbed trailer to move brush. We limbed things up and stacked very carefully to get a full load. Marv had a cable with sliphooks swaged into heavy eyes that went under the brush. There was a very specific method for loading. Long, palm-like limbs on the bottom, then limb ans stack things to make a tight load. Two piles, one towards the front the other towards the back. Overlap the butts of the front with a layer of the back pile. When we got to the dump we would fish out the cable and clip the hooks. Run a chain back to the bucket of the loadeer and he would snug up the cable and lift just a little. Drive the trailer out from under the load. Marv was a Norwegian, should we have called it a Norksi chipper? I think not, that isn't polite and edges onto racism. Call it a brush trailer. It's rare that any nationality descriptor has anything to do with the practice or tool.
NeTree
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I think some people are just too ???? PC-sensitive.
The term "Mexican Chipper" is far from new; the phrase was coined by the Mexican workers themselves. It's a referance to the fact that white boys down south would rather stop everything and make another trip than get dirty climbing into the brushpile with a saw to reduce the load volume and save another trip to get the darn job done.
Why do you think Hispanic workers abound in the green industry? Try finding a middle-class white boy willing to work.
The term "Mexican Chipper" is far from new; the phrase was coined by the Mexican workers themselves. It's a referance to the fact that white boys down south would rather stop everything and make another trip than get dirty climbing into the brushpile with a saw to reduce the load volume and save another trip to get the darn job done.
Why do you think Hispanic workers abound in the green industry? Try finding a middle-class white boy willing to work.
Nickrosis
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Not me. I'd rather surf the internet.
Newfie
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I find that as I age I've lost both stiffness and flexibility. 
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LumberjackI perfer not to buy a rope for the sole purpose of pulling off the trailer said:
