Running chainsaws (and other twostrokes) on E85

[Smitty Smithsonite]

What am I missing? I see 3.5c (then 4.2c over 600kWh) + .2c + 2.1c + .9c gets me something like 7c or 8c per kWh.

Is my maths that bad? I don’t get to 14.5c per kWh.

I edited the post to show a more recent bill. That is ONLY the additional fees - NOT generation fees.

Here's the bill total:

 

[MattGPT]

Here in MA, the kWh is a small part of the overall bill. Transmission fees, then the mandatory "green energy" fees, (Green subsidies I shouldn't be paying for) end up more than 50% of the bill. Right now it's about 14.5 cents / kWh ... but my electric bill is far north of $100 for just 450 kWh's this time of year.

Here's a snapshot of the fees from summer 2016:

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Now here's a bill from April - they're forcing US to pay for this green b/s! Not right!!

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Well, the good news is...it’s pretty cheap? Although what’s that “Energy efficiency charge”? Can you get that dropped if you promise to have cold showers or only read by candlelight or something? Lol.

 

[MattGPT]

I edited the post to show a more recent bill. That is ONLY the additional fees - NOT generation fees.

Here's the bill total:
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Ah, damn. Yeah, ok, so the electrons cost 7c and they charge you an extra 8c for the privilege of using THEIR electrons.

I don’t get such a detailed breakdown, just a per day charge and a per kWh charge. And some insulting credits for “feed in tariffs”.

 

[ValleyForge]

Well, the good news is...it’s pretty cheap? Although what’s that “Energy efficiency charge”? Can you get that dropped if you promise to have cold showers or only read by candlelight or something? Lol.

That’s a fee to pay for liberals that are too dumb to add any value to your electric bill other than to dream up new fees…..

 

[MattGPT]

That’s a fee to pay for liberals that are too dumb to add any value to your electric bill other than to dream up new fees…..

Yikes. I’m one of those liberals...hence the solar panels and battery etc. I even choose a provider who guarantees to get a % of their power from renewables on top of my own.

But I’m an Aussie, so you can’t blame me directly for your bill. Us libs are busy taking the blame for everything wrong over here, can’t shoulder your problems too. Blame your own libs. You got plenty there too right?

 

[Bill G]

I will need to check tonight but I think we are at 8 to 10 cents kwh here.

 

[ValleyForge]

Yikes. I’m one of those liberals...hence the solar panels and battery etc. I even choose a provider who guarantees to get a % of their power from renewables on top of my own.

But I’m an Aussie, so you can’t blame me directly for your bill. Us libs are busy taking the blame for everything wrong over here, can’t shoulder your problems too. Blame your own libs. You got plenty there too right?

Oh yes…we are chock full of idiots here in the states…lol

 

[Smitty Smithsonite]

Ain't that the truth.

Once my meter starts hauling *** in July and August trying to keep this 170 year old shack cool in the summer, my bill will be far north of $200 after all is said and done. The A/C units almost double the kWh usage.

 

[Smitty Smithsonite]

Yikes. I’m one of those liberals...hence the solar panels and battery etc. I even choose a provider who guarantees to get a % of their power from renewables on top of my own.

But I’m an Aussie, so you can’t blame me directly for your bill. Us libs are busy taking the blame for everything wrong over here, can’t shoulder your problems too. Blame your own libs. You got plenty there too right?

We can tell you're not an American liberal, because we can actually carry on a civil conversation about things with you without you calling us racist, or some other buzzword.

Actually, that sort of thing more leftist than liberal. American liberals have more in common with us conservatives, but they're brainwashed into voting for democrats. We can talk to them and be reasonable. Leftists hate everything, and everybody, including themselves. They're hateful and thrive on chaos. They destroy everything they touch from entertainment, to education. You're definitely NOT a leftist.

 

[HansFranz]

Here in MA, the kWh is a small part of the overall bill. Transmission fees, then the mandatory "green energy" fees, (Green subsidies I shouldn't be paying for) end up more than 50% of the bill. Right now it's about 14.5 cents / kWh ... but my electric bill is far north of $100 for just 450 kWh's this time of year.

In my view, the way to calculate the cost per kWh is to divide the dollar amount of the bill by the number of kWh consumed. Because in the end, that's what you're paying per kWh.

Ignoring the taxes, fees and service charges is like ignoring excise tax in the cost of gasoline, or ignoring the $5 or so in taxes that you pay for a bottle of booze, or ignoring the $25 HAZMAT fee on a bottle of argon. It might make you feel better, but it won't make your wallet any heavier.

"I'm only paying 75 cents for a pack of cigarettes!" Well -- no.

Here in VA, through a "rural electric cooperative," we pay ~ 15¢ per kWh, calculating the cost the way I explained. Once a year, we also get money back in the form of capital credits, mostly canceling out one ~ $55 monthly bill for ~ 375 kWh.

 

[HansFranz]

Yikes. I’m one of those liberals...hence the solar panels and battery etc.

Hence the Karl Marx avatar.

 

[Dennisthemenace]

Clicked on big oil subsidies: Fossil Fuels Received $5.9 Trillion In Subsidies in 2020, Report Finds

An open-pit coal mine in Garzweiler, Germany. PIXABAY

Coal, oil, and natural gas received $5.9 trillion in subsidies in 2020 — or roughly $11 million every minute — according to a new analysis from the International Monetary Fund.

Explicit subsidies accounted for only 8 percent of the total. The remaining 92 percent were implicit subsidies, which took the form of tax breaks or, to a much larger degree, health and environmental damages that were not priced into the cost of fossil fuels, according to the analysis.

“Underpricing leads to overconsumption of fossil fuels, which accelerates global warming and exacerbates domestic environmental problems including losses to human life from local air pollution and excessive and road congestion and accidents,” authors wrote. “This has long been recognized, but globally countries are still a long way from getting energy prices right.”

The report found that 47 percent of natural gas and 99 percent of coal is priced at less than half its true cost, and that just five countries — China, the United States, Russia, India, and Japan — account for two-thirds of subsidies globally. All five countries belong to the G20, which in 2009 agreed to phase out “inefficient” fossil fuel subsidies “over the medium term.”

Setting the price of coal, oil, gas to reflect their true cost — say, with a carbon tax — would cut carbon dioxide emissions by around a third, helping to put the world on a path to keeping warming below 1.5 degrees C. Such policies would also raise revenues equal to 3.8 percent of global GDP and prevent close to 1 million deaths from local air pollution yearly.

“There would be enormous benefits from reform, so there’s an enormous amount at stake,” Ian Parry, an environmental policy expert and lead author of the report, told the Guardian. “Some countries are reluctant to raise energy prices because they think it will harm the poor. But holding down fossil fuel prices is a highly inefficient way to help the poor, because most of the benefits accrue to wealthier households. It would be better to target resources towards helping poor and vulnerable people directly.”

What a joke. Why would anyone pay any attention to unelected, self perpetuating lefty talk fests like the IMF, WHO, WEF?

 

[ValleyForge]

Hence the Karl Marx avatar.

Wait…what?? Lol

 

[MattGPT]

Hence the Karl Marx avatar.

Yeah, I got called a commie so many times in the P&R forum I figured I’d adopt it as my identity. So now I have Karl, and sign off as “Resident commie”. Just to stir em up.

 

[MattGPT]

Wait…what?? Lol

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Looks like Rasputin, lol

 

[HansFranz]

Here I thought it was Jerry!

 

[MattGPT]

Here I thought it was Jerry!

Garcia? Lol, yeah, needs the glasses though.

I wonder if I switch out my avatar...will anyone notice?

 

[Smitty Smithsonite]

In my view, the way to calculate the cost per kWh is to divide the dollar amount of the bill by the number of kWh consumed. Because in the end, that's what you're paying per kWh.

Ignoring the taxes, fees and service charges is like ignoring excise tax in the cost of gasoline, or ignoring the $5 or so in taxes that you pay for a bottle of booze, or ignoring the $25 HAZMAT fee on a bottle of argon. It might make you feel better, but it won't make your wallet any heavier.

"I'm only paying 75 cents for a pack of cigarettes!" Well -- no.

Here in VA, through a "rural electric cooperative," we pay ~ 15¢ per kWh, calculating the cost the way I explained. Once a year, we also get money back in the form of capital credits, mostly canceling out one ~ $55 monthly bill for ~ 375 kWh.

That bill I posted comes out to .29 cents per kWh this way ...

 

[HansFranz]

That bill I posted comes out to .29 cents per kWh this way ...

Ouchie!

As a welder who occasionally gobbles up a LOT of power welding aluminum, I'm often envious of the folks in the PNW who get cheeeeeeep power from the hydroelectric dams out there ... which is what apparently drew aluminum producers (and the aircraft builders like Boeing who followed) to the region.

I think a nickel or even a few pennies per kWh is not unheard-of out there...

 

[Bill G]

I have often wondered why a big chunk of the aircraft builders were out there