Sabre chain

[coveredinsap]

Couldn't find a 373 in Sabre chain. Here is one of the cross reference charts.
http://www.brownandwiser.com/oregon_chain_cross_ref.html

Yeah, thanks. What is strange about that is....when using it as a cross-reference to check the accuracy of other sources....well, take a look at what the chart lists '357' is for Sabre chains: 3/8" pitch, .050" gauge. Now look at this page for '357' Sabre: .357" pitch, .058" gauge.

Something's fishy

 

[cord arrow]

hey, i've got a sabre lawn tractor built in the homelite plant in tennessee that john deere bought.

is that any help?

ain't been able to find no chain on it, though..................or a bar or anything....but i'll look again.

 

[04ultra]

hey, i've got a sabre lawn tractor built in the homelite plant in tennessee that john deere bought.

is that any help?

ain't been able to find no chain on it, though..................or a bar or anything....but i'll look again.

LOL that's funny..... :hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[ShoerFast]

Chain in the last 30 years has sure improved.

Some of the older saws had such poor oilers and the metallurgy and assembly techniques were so poor that a lot of chain was just plain starched due to the rivet holes - rivets,,,,,, who knows what it started out as, but if there is a lot of play it could make some "btweener" pitch?

 

[Paul61]

hey, i've got a sabre lawn tractor built in the homelite plant in tennessee that john deere bought.

is that any help?

ain't been able to find no chain on it, though..................or a bar or anything....but i'll look again.

Sabres & Hurricanes - Game 7 - Tonight (ESPN)

Lots a "chain" store ads,

"bars" are full up!

See ya after da game

 

[THALL10326]

I've got a question for all the pros out there.

I've got a chain that I would like identified as to its exact pitch and gauge. Naturally I would like to hear the reasoning behind the identification.

The chain says 'Sabre' along with the number '373'. It has the number '25' on the depth gauge, and what appears to be the letter 'D' on the drive links.

Hint: It appears to be a 3/8" chain. And I understand that Sabre is apparently a defunct chain/bar maker that appears to have been owned at one time by Homelite/John Deere.

Thanks in advance.

Well I'll be damn Sap, you are human afterall, you have a question instead of a answer, good for you. Far as your chain goes its not worth all your headache, pitch it and get a new one. Hell by the time you figure out what it is you could have gone up to your Husky dealer and got a chain and been done sawing by now. Better yet you could go get the best chain made bar none but I know its not your flavor so go grab a new Oregon chain at your Husky dealer and pitch that old chain. Its not worth your time and effort to figure out what it is. When in doubt throw it out, sometimes it's best.....

 

[GASoline71]

I just ran into a problem with this weird chain on an old Mac I found in my Grandad's shed. Looks like 3/8's but 3/8's don't fit.

Is this what you're talking about?

romeo... When I resurrected my Gramps old Mac PM610 it had a wierd chain on it that I thought was .325", .050. Turns out it was a 3/8" LP (Low Profile)chain. I tossed it and got a regular 3/8", .050, and works jus' fine. SO you prolly have a Low Profile chain on the old saw.

Gary

 

[coveredinsap]

Well, I know you all have been holding your breath over this chain, so I'll tell you what I found out. First of all it came with an 18" Oregon bar...it looks like an oldie... 3/8" pitch bar #27040 QM.

The bar groove measures around .074 - .075 The bar has seen some use but the rails are not significantly worn or uneven.

The chain measures around .059 - .060 gauge. The pitch measures 3/8".

I figure it is a .063 gauge chain. Although very sharp, its seen some use, and probably has about 40% remaining on the cutting teeth.

Interesting that there is no record that I can find anywhere of a Sabre brand chain marked "Sabre" "373" "25" and "D", with a 3/8" pitch, .063 gauge

 

[THALL10326]

Well, I know you all have been holding your breath over this chain, so I'll tell you what I found out. First of all it came with an 18" Oregon bar...it looks like an oldie... 3/8" pitch bar #27040 QM.

The bar groove measures around .074 - .075 The bar has seen some use but the rails are not significantly worn or uneven.

The chain measures around .059 - .060 gauge. The pitch measures 3/8".

I figure it is a .063 gauge chain. Although very sharp, its seen some use, and probably has about 40% remaining on the cutting teeth.

Interesting that there is no record that I can find anywhere of a Sabre brand chain marked "Sabre" "373" "25" and "D", with a 3/8" pitch, .063 gauge

Well Sap if the bar groove is .74-.75 its shot, pitch it. Chain has 40% left, hell pitch it too. I've sharpened chains down for customers that I myself wouldn't waste my money on. They want every bit of the teeth gone before they give up on the chain. I do it for them but my on own, I may sharpen mine once or twice and then I send it to file 13after that. Nothing worse than a chain that cuts poorly or half worn out. Pitch em both Sap..

 

[rbtree]

Actually, thall, if everything is filed right, a worn chain will cut faster. I'm a pretty good filer, so as long as my chains are cutting straight, I use them all the way up.

Sap, just so you know a pro's perspective, I have no problem with Oregon chain, but now prefer Stihl, as it is definitely better... its prestretched a bit more I think, comes out of the box a little sharper it seems, and is harder, so holds an edge longer, yet is not noticably hard on files. And it only costs me maybe $5 per 100 feet more than Oregon...typically $205-225 from Madsen's.

 

[Freakingstang]

And it only costs me maybe $5 per 100 feet more than Oregon...typically $205-225 from Madsen's.

Must be nice...round here, a reel of RS goes for about 4 bills.....gotta love MSRP and not being the "big west" with all the big timber.

 

[THALL10326]

Actually, thall, if everything is filed right, a worn chain will cut faster. I'm a pretty good filer, so as long as my chains are cutting straight, I use them all the way up.

Sap, just so you know a pro's perspective, I have no problem with Oregon chain, but now prefer Stihl, as it is definitely better... its prestretched a bit more I think, comes out of the box a little sharper it seems, and is harder, so holds an edge longer, yet is not noticably hard on files. And it only costs me maybe $5 per 100 feet more than Oregon...typically $205-225 from Madsen's.

True Rb, your right about if their done right, they will cut good and fast. The kind I'm taking about that people bring in have teeth snapped off, runners chewed up, teeth bent and yet they want it ground. I do it for them and they cut but on my own I don't waste much time sending it to the can. Then again I getem pretty cheap so my time sharpening verses what I can get a new one for is pretty close in value.

 

[sawinredneck]

Sorry Sap, but I also have to agree here. the Stihl chain is unbeatable! Nothing on the market holds longer or stays sharper. I am also a fan of there ES bars, but that's another thread. I have been told by people that I highly respect "either run Stihl or Oregon chain, the rest is junk!"
Andy

 

[Freakingstang]

Sorry Sap, but I also have to agree here. the Stihl chain is unbeatable! Nothing on the market holds longer or stays sharper. I am also a fan of there ES bars, but that's another thread. I have been told by people that I highly respect "either run Stihl or Oregon chain, the rest is junk!"
Andy

I recently bought a half reel of carlton chain. I think I like it better than oregon....

 

[lovetheoutdoors]

I recently bought a half reel of carlton chain. I think I like it better than oregon....

I bought some windsor chain....im curious to see how it holds up.

 

[Justsaws]

I bought some windsor chain....im curious to see how it holds up.

I like Windsor chain. It is what I look for. Around where I live it is almost always Stihl, Oregon, or Carlton. Figures I would end up liking Windsor. The Pferd files work very well with the Windsor chain.

 

[lovetheoutdoors]

I like Windsor chain. It is what I look for. Around where I live it is almost always Stihl, Oregon, or Carlton. Figures I would end up liking Windsor. The Pferd files work very well with the Windsor chain.

Thanks for the info....is windsor chain soft like oregon or hard like stihl?

 

[sawinredneck]

MORE, MORE, Please!!!! I got some GB from NWCS, cut like mad to start with, but doesn't hold up like the Stihl by any means. No big woop, just touch it up and go. Please do enlighten me, "IF you don't learn something new everday, it was a waste of time" (some crazy redneck)
Andy

 

[lovetheoutdoors]

MORE, MORE, Please!!!! I got some GB from NWCS, cut like mad to start with, but doesn't hold up like the Stihl by any means. No big woop, just touch it up and go. Please do enlighten me, "IF you don't learn something new everday, it was a waste of time" (some crazy redneck)
Andy

Andy im just curious...what are NWCS 's prices on the GB square chisel chain?

 

[Justsaws]

Seems to me to be softer than Stihl and a little harder than Oregon. I only had a couple of older rolls. I just bought a couple more from Bailey's. If the money rolls in I will buy more. I would be comparing older Windsor chain to newer Oregon and Stihl. Easier to sharpen than Stihl and held it's edge better than Oregon. Did not notice any stretching problems.