Well I'm not affraid on any of the members on here and I don't believe there is reason to be, but I will say that I have held back on some questions, even after running a search and not being able to find what I was wanting to know about. But finally just mustard up the stones and put the questions forward, the part that I figured was going to happen didn't, that being that someone would say "Just buy the book and read about it" my questions where on falling technique's, nothing fancy just standard stuff but to make sure if I did have to use it that I would know the proper way of doing it (and after differant points of view where argued there where some great answers) by the way thanks to all who gave advise. But the more I read on here now the more I figure I will buy the book just to have on hand. I don't put as much time on here as some and I have noticed that when newbie's like me ask a question and it has already been addressed that they can get hammered on fairly hard for not doing a search, but sometimes a guy just likes to ask the question so he can bring up other points that where not covered in the original even if he did look it up. Just my .02 being a newbie and all. I know I kind of side tracked you thread there but it is something that I have noticed and figured this was the closest I would see on a thread to it. I'm thick skinned and can take it, but some aren't and I would hate to think that someone didn't ask a question and tried something just to have it go bad on them.