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That's kind of ironic. I have property on the headwaters of Lost River in Hardy County WV. Lost River is the cleanest cold water river feeding the Chesapeake Bay. It also has native populations of Brook Trout. So, they have a massive initiative to keep the waters clean and cold. My neighbor has 120 acres of pasture land for their sheep. They just fenced all of his pastures and streams at a cost of $68,000, put in a stock tank and well, all he had to pay for was a 25' phone pole for the well and the future electric. He's been given $19,000 over 4 years for not planting, and letting them plant trees along the streams to shade the water and keep it cool. All of this was from government and conservation groups, like Trout Unlimited. I think it's a worthy project. Lost River is a beautiful river. But, they are paying farmers not to use chemicals, then every one else uses them for pest and vegetation control. Don't even think of telling the politicians in Annapolis they have to let weeds grow on their golf courses. A friend just retired, he was the director of the Chesapeake Bay for DNR or Dept of Ag, I forget. I called him and said they offered to pay me the fair market value of my 30 acres if I put it in the Trust. Since I only use it for my rifle range and to hunt and relax, their plans fit in mine already, so I felt like a crook extorting them for money to do what I do anyway. He said look into it. I keep my property, can sell it, give it to my kids, cut hay off it. But once it's in the program, all future owners have to abide by the conditions set up. I do have input on future use of the land, nothing really changes for me. Another plus for me, they may pay me a stipend for cutting down and burning invasive species like Russian Olives which are taking over my hay field.
Have to read the fine print on those trust deals. I know a guy that signed up for one of those keep the creek clean deals. They came in and drilled a well and installed a stock tank and fenced along both sides of his creek. He thought he was getting one over on them but forgot to make sure he could cross the creek with his tractor. When he wanted to put a pipe in to cross the creek, they said no. Now he has half his property he dont have access to. Also he isnt allowed to hook his house to the well. Another just down the road from me had several acres piped and turned into a wet land. Not allowed to brush hog or graze anything. Over grown and looks like crap, cant use it, or sell it, but still has to pay taxes.
 
Have to read the fine print on those trust deals. I know a guy that signed up for one of those keep the creek clean deals. They came in and drilled a well and installed a stock tank and fenced along both sides of his creek. He thought he was getting one over on them but forgot to make sure he could cross the creek with his tractor. When he wanted to put a pipe in to cross the creek, they said no. Now he has half his property he dont have access to. Also he isnt allowed to hook his house to the well. Another just down the road from me had several acres piped and turned into a wet land. Not allowed to brush hog or graze anything. Over grown and looks like crap, cant use it, or sell it, but still has to pay taxes.
It's always the fine print that gets you. We have that clean and green tax thing around here. My parents bought the property next to theirs and had enough to go Clean and green. Turns out if they want to sell it or do something else with it there's back taxes that need paid. Pretty sure it's "open for public recreation" as well, but haven't confirmed this as of yet. Taxes did get cut pretty good though.
 
Have to read the fine print on those trust deals. I know a guy that signed up for one of those keep the creek clean deals. They came in and drilled a well and installed a stock tank and fenced along both sides of his creek. He thought he was getting one over on them but forgot to make sure he could cross the creek with his tractor. When he wanted to put a pipe in to cross the creek, they said no. Now he has half his property he dont have access to. Also he isnt allowed to hook his house to the well. Another just down the road from me had several acres piped and turned into a wet land. Not allowed to brush hog or graze anything. Over grown and looks like crap, cant use it, or sell it, but still has to pay taxes.
Yep…always remember, the government can afford the best lawyers in the world with your money…
 
NYC-DEP wanted to do a "deal" with my 50 acres upstate (overlooking the Cannonsville Reservoir). At first it sounded pretty good. Then they told me I had to remove my outhouse (even though I was allowed to have livestock, and barns). I told them I would put in a septic ... they said NO! I was allowed to keep my hunting cabin, which is two miles in on a 4wd road, but no outhouse.

As negotiations failed, I asked what direction their headquarters was? When they asked why, I informed them that I planned to build a large catapult and send my refuse to them. That is where negotiations ended.
 
NYC-DEP wanted to do a "deal" with my 50 acres upstate (overlooking the Cannonsville Reservoir). At first it sounded pretty good. Then they told me I had to remove my outhouse (even though I was allowed to have livestock, and barns). I told them I would put in a septic ... they said NO! I was allowed to keep my hunting cabin, which is two miles in on a 4wd road, but no outhouse.

As negotiations failed, I asked what direction their headquarters was? When they asked why, I informed them that I planned to build a large catapult and send my refuse to them. That is where negotiations ended.
When you said NY i already knew where this was going. My friend lives in Greece outside Rochester and deals with stupid $hit all the time.
 
When you said NY i already knew where this was going. My friend lives in Greece outside Rochester and deals with stupid $hit all the time.
NYS is bad, but NYC is far worse, and their reservoirs extend far up into the Catskills!

There are lots of NYC reservoirs, on both sides of the Hudson.

It takes a lot of water to keep NYC going, and NYC water used to be one of the best in the world.
 
NYS is bad, but NYC is far worse, and their reservoirs extend far up into the Catskills!

There are lots of NYC reservoirs, on both sides of the Hudson.

It takes a lot of water to keep NYC going, and NYC water used to be one of the best in the world.
Not sure why they are worried about 1 outhouse or a septic tank the ground will filter it out with clay and sand. And all water is filtered and treated different ways before it is drinkable.
 
Not sure why they are worried about 1 outhouse or a septic tank the ground will filter it out with clay and sand. And all water is filtered and treated different ways before it is drinkable.
They don't much worry about the wildlife that uses the water or dies in it.
 
What got me most was that I could have cows and pigs and chickens, but I was not allowed to "go"!!!

The bear shore as heck does it, we find it all the time!

I'm over a mile from their water, and was not allowed to install a septic system ... there is just not dealing with folks like that!
Put it in anyway and don't say a word about it. It is none of their business what you do on YOUR property.
 
If you agree to their program, they inspect on a regular basis.

I did not go with their program, and now have 2 outhouses! Comes in handy when 11 or 12 stay overnight!

In what way would you have benefited from their “program”?
 
It's always the fine print that gets you. We have that clean and green tax thing around here. My parents bought the property next to theirs and had enough to go Clean and green. Turns out if they want to sell it or do something else with it there's back taxes that need paid. Pretty sure it's "open for public recreation" as well, but haven't confirmed this as of yet. Taxes did get cut pretty good though.
I did clean and green on my undeveloped land when taxes jumped from $1000 to $5000. Now they are $130. Back taxes (for my plans) only apply if you sell the land to a developer or for some reason a private buyer doesn't want to stay on the program which wouldn't make sense. If I want to build a residence, they take 1 acre and tax it at residential rates.
I requested a hearing when the taxes jumped and at the time I didn't know about the program. They wouldn't lower my taxes but advised me to see the guy in the office next door down to sign me up. Kinda weird that the county would throw away tax money like that. I wonder if the state reimburses the county? The main idea of the program is to keep land from being developed.
 
I did clean and green on my undeveloped land when taxes jumped from $1000 to $5000. Now they are $130. Back taxes (for my plans) only apply if you sell the land to a developer or for some reason a private buyer doesn't want to stay on the program which wouldn't make sense. If I want to build a residence, they take 1 acre and tax it at residential rates.
I requested a hearing when the taxes jumped and at the time I didn't know about the program. They wouldn't lower my taxes but advised me to see the guy in the office next door down to sign me up. Kinda weird that the county would throw away tax money like that. I wonder if the state reimburses the county? The main idea of the program is to keep land from being developed.
Actually the real reason is to put land in control of government instead of our posterity…
 

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