Scrounging Firewood (and other stuff)

[SteveSS]

My next venture is learning how to make 'shine. I've built my still head, but still need to make a pot. It's legal in Missouri to distill up to 200 gallons for personal consumption. Not sure who could drink that much, but it's legal.

 

[dancan]

Shine is easy , as easy as bad wine , a hot plate , a pressure cooker and 20$ worth of copper tubing .
Good shine on the other hand is hard to make .
Passing the easy shine through a 2"diameter 4' column of activated carbon sure helps smooth it out LOL
One easy way to get the alc percentage up is to throw the wine or even beer in the freezer , pour off what doesn't freeze , throw the slush away .
Home water distillers work very well .
I know nothing ....

 

[benp]

My next venture is learning how to make 'shine. I've built my still head, but still need to make a pot. It's legal in Missouri to distill up to 200 gallons for personal consumption. Not sure who could drink that much, but it's legal.

You might want to double check that Steve.

It's illegal to distill alcohol. One can make beer and wine but no distilling alcohol. Pretty much bad juju if busted illegal.

Now, that being said, having a still for making essential oils.....rock on. I'm just saying.

 

[benp]

Shine is easy , as easy as bad wine , a hot plate , a pressure cooker and 20$ worth of copper tubing .
Good shine on the other hand is hard to make .
Passing the easy shine through a 2"diameter 4' column of activated carbon sure helps smooth it out LOL
One easy way to get the alc percentage up is to throw the wine or even beer in the freezer , pour off what doesn't freeze , throw the slush away .
Home water distillers work very well .
I know nothing ....

Have you ever tried the slush Dan? Lol

When I was down at my folks a couple years ago, mom came home early from running errands, and caught dad and I in a half gallon mason jar of apple pie moonshine.

The alcohol content wasn't super high so it was slushed up. (It was in the freezer)

There stood my father and I, each with a soup spoon in hand, with a deer in the headlights expression, to a spitting mad mother/wife.

It was 1030 am. God that was delicious.

 

[SteveSS]

You might want to double check that Steve.

It's illegal to distill alcohol. One can make beer and wine but no distilling alcohol. Pretty much bad juju if busted illegal.

Now, that being said, having a still for making essential oils.....rock on. I'm just saying.

August 28, 2014

License to manufacture not required, personal or family use--limitation--removal from premises permitted, when--inapplicability, when.

311.055. 1. No person at least twenty-one years of age shall be required to obtain a license to manufacture intoxicating liquor, as defined in section 311.020, for personal or family use. The aggregate amount of intoxicating liquor manufactured per household shall not exceed two hundred gallons per calendar year if there are two or more persons over the age of twenty-one years in such household, or one hundred gallons per calendar year if there is only one person over the age of twenty-one years in such household. Any intoxicating liquor manufactured under this section shall not be sold or offered for sale.

This is the current Missouri statute dated 8/28/14. Anybody wanna come down and help? We can cut some wood after.

 

[SteveSS]

Definition of intoxicating liquor.

311.020. The term "intoxicating liquor" as used in this chapter shall mean and include alcohol for beverage purposes, alcoholic, spirituous, vinous, fermented, malt, or other liquors, or combination of liquors, a part of which is spirituous, vinous, or fermented, and all preparations or mixtures for beverage purposes, containing in excess of one-half of one percent by volume. All beverages having an alcoholic content of less than one-half of one percent by volume shall be exempt from the provisions of this chapter, but subject to inspection as provided by sections 196.365 to 196.445*.

It's kind of cool to live in MO.

 

[benp]

Hmmmm........

Not wanting to be Debby Downer.....BUT.....

While it may be legal in MO, it is still illegal on a Federal level....that's the clinker.

This is a section of an article...

While most states prohibit home moonshining, state laws sometimes conflict with federal law. In Missouri, for example, a person 21 or over may produce up to 100 gallons of spirits per year for personal consumption without a permit.

But federal law trumps state law, and to the feds, distilling at home for personal consumption is illegal, period.

"If you distill without permits, you're looking at roughly a dozen felonies," says Tom Hogue, spokesman for the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau. "It's not something you want to be doing."

From here..
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/20...-at-home-is-on-the-rise-but-its-still-illegal

Cough...essential oils...cough.....

Oh..and I've heard rotating 5 gallon barrels in the wood pile works pretty well.

 

[SteveSS]

For sure. But I think the average clown like me running a 5 or 10 gallon still that produces 7 - 10 quarts of shine at a time is outside of the scope of the feds. You never can tell with those jokers, though. I haven't seen much coverage on how the feds are dealing with the new state laws on cannabis in CO and WA? It's really a similar situation where the fed law trumps the state, but I don't know what's going on there.

I'll feel pretty safe when I get something up and running. I just like to fiddle and tinker with new stuff. It keeps me busy.

 

[SteveSS]

Tonight's thread derail brought to you by Me and benp.

Sorry everyone.

 

[Ambull01]

Just remember, they get heavy and will test the tow vehicle.

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Oh yeah, forgot about that. Guess I may need to upgrade my tow vehicle after all.

Bought a pair of used steel toe rubber fireman's boots from a flea market for $5. I know, kind of nasty wearing some old boots but the price couldn't be beat. I've looked around at rubber steel toe boots and some of them are insanely expensive. .

get a quart of water. put in 5 drops of pure bleach. shake well. pour 1/2 qt in each boot, and shake it around in there,,so the whole inside is thoroughly covered. then pour out, and let dry. nothing at all will be alive,,, nothing...[/QUOTE]

Yep, definitely need to do this. Actually found a dead mouse in one boot. I tried it on once so my feet so not sure how I missed it.

 

[Circle B MN]

Tonight's thread derail brought to you by Me and benp.

Sorry everyone.

I'll drink to that

 

[1project2many]

Just remember, they [trailers] get heavy and will test the tow vehicle.

Yes! The tow vehicle has to go (obvious) and stop (should seem obvious) with the trailer. But where folks miss out? Well, it has to make it turn! Heavy trailer, light tow vehicle, sharp corner with a little sand or gravel on pavement... you'll have some custom made grips in the steering wheel before long.

If you can find a living one (or two), the berries practically overload the trees in the summer, and they make great wine.

The first Mulberry tree I ever saw was growing in a strip between two businesses across from where I work. There were black and white (Chinese) Mulberry. The trees have been cut down repeatedly since then but they keep crowning. I've brought home some seedlings but they're so young I can't tell what variety they are. I found a 30" tall tree out behind the shop that I might try and dig out toward spring. One thing for sure... these trees do not like to be transplanted.

 

[Ambull01]

Yes! The tow vehicle has to go (obvious) and stop (should seem obvious) with the trailer. But where folks miss out? Well, it has to make it turn! Heavy trailer, light tow vehicle, sharp corner with a little sand or gravel on pavement... you'll have some custom made grips in the steering wheel before long.




The first Mulberry tree I ever saw was growing in a strip between two businesses across from where I work. There were black and white (Chinese) Mulberry. The trees have been cut down repeatedly since then but they keep crowning. I've brought home some seedlings but they're so young I can't tell what variety they are. I found a 30" tall tree out behind the shop that I might try and dig out toward spring. One thing for sure... these trees do not like to be transplanted.

I don't think weight of the vehicle will be an issue, the van feels like a tank. Power/torque may be along with the brakes. Feel like I'm driving a bus.

 

[svk]

I don't think weight of the vehicle will be an issue, the van feels like a tank. Power/torque may be along with the brakes. Feel like I'm driving a bus.

You are good to pull a pretty heavy load with that van and you aren't in the mountains so heavy duty brakes aren't needed. Lots of people use vans to pull fancy trailers loaded with race cars, tools, etc so I wouldn't worry at all hauling a cord to two with one.

 

[Ambull01]

You are good to pull a pretty heavy load with that van and you aren't in the mountains so heavy duty brakes aren't needed. Lots of people use vans to pull fancy trailers loaded with race cars, tools, etc so I wouldn't worry at all hauling a cord to two with one.

Thanks buddy! I can always count on you guys to give good info and set me on the right path. There's actually no hills anywhere. Even finding a good sledding hill will be a serous challenge, if we ever get snow that is.

 

[H-Ranch]

Tonight's thread derail brought to you by Me and benp.

Sorry everyone.

Heck, I thought this thread had been in the Off Topic forum for at least 6 months!

 

[Sawdust inspector]

Dancan can you show better pictures of your skidding cone? I'm wondering how to make 1 for myself

 

[steved]

I don't think weight of the vehicle will be an issue, the van feels like a tank. Power/torque may be along with the brakes. Feel like I'm driving a bus.

As long as the trailer has brakes and you have them working...stopping isn't really a problem. That trailer I just rebuilt will stop the truck and trailer with ease (no truck brakes applied).

It is a lot a weight, when you think a cord of oak weighs around 5k pounds...and that's only a cord. You can overload trailers just as quick as you can overload a truck. And then you got to drag it along. In my case, when I had the big trailer set up to haul a little more than a cord, I was looking at 7500#s between the wood and trailer...that requires a stout tow rig.

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[1project2many]

I don't think weight of the vehicle will be an issue, the van feels like a tank. Power/torque may be along with the brakes. Feel like I'm driving a bus.

lol... I've been a bus mechanic since '03 and worked on plenty of 1 ton trucks prior. If you ever think you need help with brake issues, ask away. Hate to hear a guy got hurt over an issue that could have been avoided.

 

[benp]

Tonight's thread derail brought to you by Me and benp.

Sorry everyone.

We are frying fish in the shop....