Sling and block to set a false crotch

[John464]

Been using the same worn out sling for awhile that is no longer available to set false crotches with a lowering block. I am use to one that is easily adjustable from small diameter to large. I cant find anything that adjusts and would allow me to secure a block to it.

This one from Bailey's is ideal only it doesnt adjust to have it sit tight close to the wood no matter the diameter.

Anyone have any recommendations?

 

[TackleTree]

http://www.wtsherrill.com/index.asp

 

[jazak]

I use the same thing; as long as its made by samson, wall, or new england it will do the same thing. Its how you place it on the tree that determines whether it will tighten under a load or loosen.

 

[hobby climber]

Have you ever looked into a "Loopie Sling"? HC

 

[John464]

My problem is I dont want to deal with a cow hitch. My current one adjusts like a pair of suspenders or a lanyard, it is so quick and easy to keep the block tight to the tree. all the new ones I see may make the block dangle too low or take to long with knots to adjust properly. too low and that false crotch may no longer be a good crotch. They may not be as much as a pain as I invision them to be, but it always slows you down when you change up your ways until you get use to it.

 

[TackleTree]

Ok well have you tried the whoopie sling from sherrill? I had a chance to look at one of these thing at the store but not in action. The concept seems to match what you are looking for. The tenex slides inside itself to adjust to size of tree. You simply wrap around the tree then girth hitch, adjust it. Here is the print from the online sight.

Item: 15315
Description: WHOOPIE SLING-Large/ adjusts 5-9 ft / 3,380 lb work load
This old-fashioned choker sling can be adjusted from short to long in just seconds for use in anchoring a block or friction device to a tree or pole. Like an eye sling, the Whoopie allows you to mount hardware snug to the base, minimizing slack in the rigging system, whereas an eye-and-eye or round sling has no adjustment, resulting in unwanted play. Each Whoopie sling is handcrafted by professional rope splicers for lasting quality and maximum strength.

Unit of Measure: EACH
Quantity Available: In Stock
Order Quantity:








Item Pricing:
From Quantity To Quantity Unit Price
1 Or Greater 61.00

 

[rahtreelimbs]

Whoopie slings are easy to adjust but not meant for block attachment. I had a conversation of this very nature with the folks at Buckingham.

The reason is that the load is doubled at the attachment point of the block. It was this reason that Buckingham didn't recommend it!

 

[TackleTree]

Somebody needs to tell sherrill that! I took that piece straight from their website. I know that when you girth hitch it reduces the strength. You would think that this would have already been factored in by the designers. But like I said i just played with it but have never seen or used it in the field. Personally i use the plain old tennex sling with a cow or timber hitch. HAs worked great for me.

 

[rahtreelimbs]

On the other hand...............using a Whoopie Sling for a Porta-Wrap attachment may be OK.

Personally I don't like it for that use.


I like a clovehitch backed up by 3 half hitches. This allows the Porta-Wrap to be rotated around the tree.

 

[John464]

Whoopie slings are easy to adjust but not meant for block attachment. I had a conversation of this very nature with the folks at Buckingham.

The reason is that the load is doubled at the attachment point of the block. It was this reason that Buckingham didn't recommend it!

that whoppie sling is exactly what I am looking for. thanks TackleTree.

If the load is doubled at the attachment point the whoopie sling can still provide a safe working load, but you need to cut the rated number in half when you secure a block to it? am I on track here or should the whoopie not be used to set a block at all?

 

[rahtreelimbs]

that whoppie sling is exactly what I am looking for. thanks TackleTree.

If the load is doubled at the attachment point the whoopie sling can still provide a safe working load, but you need to cut the rated number in half when you secure a block to it? am I on track here or should the whoopie not be used to set a block at all?

I trhink you have the right idea as far as cutting the weight down. Problem is there are never exact numberd to work with in this biz!!!

Buckingham, the way I took it, is that it wasn't to be used AT ALL for a block attachment!!!

I know that we all look for the simplest/easiest set ups we can find. But is it really worth the it if things can get compromised???

 

[John464]

I know that we all look for the simplest/easiest set ups we can find. But is it really worth the it if things can get compromised???

no, not at all. the reason I buy gear is to make myself and employees safe and efficient as possible. safety 1st and how quickly and easily I can accompish a certain task takes 2nd rank. but I am curious to find out why sherril recommends it and buckingham doesnt. who is telling the truth?

sure looks like what Im looking for...

 

[rahtreelimbs]

no, not at all. the reason I buy gear is to make myself and employees safe and efficient as possible. safety 1st and how quickly and easily I can accompish a certain task takes 2nd rank. but I am curious to find out why sherril recommends it and buckingham doesnt. who is telling the truth?

sure looks like what Im looking for...

This is best left for those guys to answer. Give 'em both a call and see what gives.

I think I have Buckinghams number......PM me if you want it.

 

[TackleTree]

So basically what you are saying is that the whoopie is worthless? What applications might it be used for? And if you and buckingham are correct then why is it even metioned to be used for rigging/block?

 

[rahtreelimbs]

So basically what you are saying is that the whoopie is worthless? What applications might it be used for? And if you and buckingham are correct then why is it even metioned to be used for rigging/block?

I am not stating anything from personal experience...........just repeating what I was told!

Like I said above...............call these guys and ask them about the applications you want it for!

I would love to be proven wrong on this!!!

 

[John464]

This is best left for those guys to answer. Give 'em both a call and see what gives.

I think I have Buckinghams number......PM me if you want it.

will do. thanks

got buckingham's number off their site.

 

[rahtreelimbs]

will do. thanks

got buckingham's number off their site.

Ask for Chris D. ( if he still works there)!

 

[TackleTree]

John please let us know what you find out.

 

[emr]

I was told at Arbor Master training that you can use either Whoopie or Loopie for either block or Port-a-Wrap. The difference comes in the WLL and the methods for attaching them to the tree. Basically they said either will work fine...but Loopies are better for block attachment. I am sorry I cant give you any better info... I just remember the result of the conversation.

 

[jmack]

Been using the same worn out sling for awhile that is no longer available to set false crotches with a lowering block. I am use to one that is easily adjustable from small diameter to large. I cant find anything that adjusts and would allow me to secure a block to it.

This one from Bailey's is ideal only it doesnt adjust to have it sit tight close to the wood no matter the diameter.

Anyone have any recommendations?

yea what sling