So I've settled on a Stihl 361: B&C recs?

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First post (and thread too......)

I spent a sleepless night last night reading up and searching all the great info on this site...waffling around on which saw to get. I wanted a professional grade saw that would last longer, be rebuildable when the time came, and be somewhere in the middle as far as size goes.

In the short term I have a lot of wood thinning to do near my house, and have also done and will do a fair amount of clearing at a friends property furthur into the mountains (so mixed pine tree sizes from fairly big (24" max probably?) to small stuff. Lots of cleanup of the downed trees/limbs. After this initial use, it will ride long with me in my truck/RV everywhere I go.

So it'll probably be good for this first use, but then perhaps a bit big for the travelling "prepared for most anything" saw after that, but it will work for that as well.

Having said that, I've settled on the 361 (I hear it'll turn gas to beer and vice versa as well). Good power to weight ratio, will do bigger trees reasonably well, not crazy heavy (lighter than the 390)....generally seems to be a 'sweet spot' in the Stihl line. They seem to hold their value very well. I could end up buying a smaller one later, which is one more reason for a bit bigger one now for these bigger guys, and then later end up with a 180 or something to ride in the truck/RV (my truck is a flatbed GMC C4500 4x4 so it's got plenty of box storage space :) ). The 361 may be a bit big/heavy for a lot of the smaller stuff I'll do, but if I'm a one saw family for now, it's a good choice it seems.

OK hopefully that gives enough of the background...I realize bars/chains don't cost THAT much, but I have a choice here to start with and want to get a good bet. Dealer is pushing the 20" (as it is better balanced he says) but since I do expect to do a lot of limbing. I'll be cleaning up all of the trees I down, and in fact, we have a big backlog of downed trees piled up around where my buddies house is to work through. So a lot of limbing compared to the number of big trees to bring down. Will an 18" bar be better if I am doing a lot of limbing with the 361? Or even a 16"? Would a 16" bar work later with one of the small saws like a 180 and buy a 20" B&C for the 361 at that time?

I think the chain they are suggesting is the 3/8", .050 RSC3 (green) and don't seem to be inclined to include a yellow pro type chain. I am relatively inexperienced sawyer, but a pretty big, strong and relatively careful type person. I'm leaning towards not pushing them for the yellow chain.

Any suggestions would be appreciated....I'm probably buying this thing on the way home from work in a couple of hours and pretty excited about it. Thanks for all the information I read last night...and for the loss of sleep.
BT
 
If you really really want to......

I guess you can suggest a Husky of some sort instead (350-450?) but I'm pretty settled on the Stihl.....
 
20 inch on the 361 is the "all purpose" bar in softwoods. If you want two bars, get a 16 and a 25...


If you're cutting on the ground, get RM or RMC chain (yellow - there is no RMC3 in 3/8 yet)... but RSC3 (Safety) is a nice cutting chain except for boring. Dulls quicky in dirty condtions - (bark/ground) . Safety chain is good for the inexperienced - it will help with top-tip-contact kick back.

On the 25 inch bar, you'll do best with full skip RM for ground work, and RSLFK for clean wood felling. I use RM and RMF for just about everything...


The 16 inch bars for the 361 are 3003 mount - they will not work on the smaller Stihls (3005 mount).. But, when you become a 6 saw family, they will work all the way up to a 660;)
 
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I guess you can suggest a Husky of some sort instead (350-450?) but I'm pretty settled on the Stihl.....

oh no.... now this will turn into husky stihl thread...;)

What oil mix? :greenchainsaw:

Buy from a local dealer that can service your needs well...
 
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Have you looked at the Dolmar 6400, 7300, and 7900? I've yet to run one, but hear they are a great saw for the price. It may just be my next saw..
 
I shouldn't have I guess....

oh no.... now this will turn into husky stihl thread...;)

What oil mix? :greenchainsaw:

Buy from a local dealer that can service your needs well...

But then when I started to say DON'T do it I remembered that thread I read last night that started with that one dude immediately ignoring the comment like that to prove everyone is free to post anything they want.....

I don't know about Dalmer as far as dealers go.....I have a BobCat skidsteer, and they are also a Stihl dealer. They have given me the best price on the 361 I found, so I'm feeling pretty good about both the dealer and the brand saw.

I really am pretty convinced on the 361......can you all save the Husky/Dalmer/Stihl war for AFTER the next 1.5 hours? Unless someone truly says something earthshattering (doubtful) then I am buying that 361 in about 2.5 hours from now. I basically need to know about the bar and chain choice. Maybe tell me something about buying PPE from somewhere else (I like the idea of some bar-stopping chaps but I'm not likely to buy any today.)

I'm getting the 361, case, 6-pack of engine oil, 1 gallon bar oil, and 20" bar and chain (unless I change to another B&C) for exactly $600. Another Stihl dealer told me it was an awesome price on all that, and I should go with them. That's nice as it is "my" dealer so to speak.

PS: what do you mean about "what oil mix?"
 
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BT, great choice on the saw, looks like you've done your homework. :clap:

If it were me I would get that saw with and 18" Bar and chain. The safety chain RSC3 will be fine, it will help if you ever contact anything with the "kickback zone" (the top 1/3 of the bar tip). I think that saw is at it's best in both balance and cutting performance with the 18" bar. The twenty is a good all rounder but it's to short for the bigger trees you describe and heavier to carry for the small stuff. I would add a 24" (25") bar with skip chain to handle the bigger stuff in one pass and and it makes a fine back up if you pinch your bar and need to cut it out... just take the powerhead off of the stuck bar and cut it out with the other one. ;)

Yep the one saw two bar plan. :cheers:
 
I have a 18'' bar on my 361 and it is a nice size for it IMO. Lighter than with a 20'' but more capable than a 16''. You should be happy with the 361.
 
BT, great choice on the saw, looks like you've done your homework. :clap:

If it were me I would get that saw with and 18" Bar and chain. The safety chain RSC3 will be fine, it will help if you ever contact anything with the "kickback zone" (the top 1/3 of the bar tip). I think that saw is at it's best in both balance and cutting performance with the 18" bar. The twenty is a good all rounder but it's to short for the bigger trees you describe and heavier to carry for the small stuff. I would add a 24" (25") bar with skip chain to handle the bigger stuff in one pass and and it makes a fine back up if you pinch your bar and need to cut it out... just take the powerhead off of the stuck bar and cut it out with the other one. ;)

Yep the one saw two bar plan. :cheers:

I like the sound of that (I guess everyone likes to hear what they were thinking before a post?) as 18" was what I had come away with from reading last night. Maybe a little less likely to accidentally catch other limbs when working downed trees.

FWIW, I grew in Bloomington, Indiana......lovely woods there.
 
I am probably the only person on this forum that does not like the ms361. Mine cut so slow out of the box that the crew nicknamed it “Miss Daisy”. I even tried to return it to my Stihl dealer under the 5 day return policy telling him that this saw won’t get out of its own way. He cajoled me into keeping the saw and “tuned it” up for me (set the rpm at 15K). I returned it to 13.5k and sent the muffler out to be modified. With a dual port muffler, the saw runs and cuts well enough but I have almost $700 into this saw plus my time. For similar money, you could get a husky 372 or a ms441 and you will have a much better saw. If you go through with the 361, do yourself a favor and get the muffler modified. Mine runs an 18” bar with 3/8rsc mostly hardwood and when you put her on the stump that’s about all she can handle. Just one mans opinion. Good Luck
 
I am probably the only person on this forum that does not like the ms361. Mine cut so slow out of the box that the crew nicknamed it “Miss Daisy”. I even tried to return it to my Stihl dealer under the 5 day return policy telling him that this saw won’t get out of its own way. He cajoled me into keeping the saw and “tuned it” up for me (set the rpm at 15K). I returned it to 13.5k and sent the muffler out to be modified. With a dual port muffler, the saw runs and cuts well enough but I have almost $700 into this saw plus my time. For similar money, you could get a husky 372 or a ms441 and you will have a much better saw. If you go through with the 361, do yourself a favor and get the muffler modified. Mine runs an 18” bar with 3/8rsc mostly hardwood and when you put her on the stump that’s about all she can handle. Just one mans opinion. Good Luck

Appreciate the comments.....I've been so used to cheapy disposable box-store saws (mostly borrowed, one jointly owned) that I am not sure I'd notice if it was a so-so, made on Friday afternoon unit. However, one of the things I liked reading last night was the ability to modify (the pro series anyway) Stihl saws. I didn't read too much on the details of those options, mainly just noted the ability to do it and filed it away for later. The occasional use saws seemed to be harder to work on, less modifiable, and there are probably better deals on non-Stihl. I was initially planning on a 250, 260 or 290, but the 290 was heavy for it's power, the 250 gets so-so reviews, and the 260 seemed pricey for it's size/power and no vibration damping. Everyone seems to think it's about to be replaced with more modern stuff, like the 361 already has. That's more or less my logic.

Another vote for the 18" bar....
 
A MS361 with an 18" should serve you well. Like Lakeside Andy recommended, a 16" (or 18") plus a 25" for your bigger softwoods should be a great one-saw family setup. I run a 16" on mine mostly.

I dunno if you want to get into the square-grind chains just yet... (RSLFK) These have an agressive cut, but a 'learning curve' to keeping one hand-filed.

I like Stihl RSC (full chisel 'yellow') on my smaller bars, and need to add some RM (semi-chisel yellow) loops for ground-bound wood. If I had to use a 25" on a 361, I'd want full or semi chisel skip-tooth please... RSF or RMF.

Have fun with your new saw!
 
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BT, I'm a homeowner and I have the 361 with an 18" bar: it works fine for me. If you are new to chain saws I would advise you to use eye, ear, and maybe chaps for leg protection. Never use that saw while on a ladder; never cut anything higher than your waist; and never run it when you are tired. There is a lot of wisedom on this site; good luck.
 
if you are doing alot of limbing i would suggest the 24" bar, i prefer the windsor speedtips, the reason for the long bar is then you don't have to bend over as much
 
OK, I'm off to the dealer aiming for an 18" bar and RSC3 chain.

Thanks!

Hmmmm.....just saw the 24" recommendation - that's new one...at the last moment too!
 
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done deal....

woo hoo! Bought my first real chain saw! Ended up going with the 18" bar/chain, but they only had a yellow chain....a 33RSC. This saw is so much better than anything I've used before.....cut some disks off a log when I got home (as well as a little at the dealer and cuts like the log was butter.

$587 before tax inlcuding all the goodies, so it seemed like I got a good deal as well. Hoping to snag a set of chaps (they didn't have my size at my dealer) on Friday, and I'll be diving into that pile of downed trees this weekend. That's for the comments, and more importantly, the contributions to other threads that helped me decide on which saw to get.

I guess I'll have one saw in my sig now. :greenchainsaw:

I still think I'll buy another chain though...I was surprised to find out how much extra bars cost, but I should probably do it 'just in case' it gets stuck sometime.
 
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You can't go wrong with the 361. My father in law has one with an 18" bar and we use it for anything. I just have an 021,028 wood boss and a 290. I jump at the chance when he let's me run the 361. My advice on the chain is listen to lakeside. I just got a new toy it is an 076 super that has been sitting for several years. All I know so far is it has spark. Oh by the way it was a freebie. LOL. Any comments on an 076 and its performance? Hopefully it is worth fixing.
 
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