max2cam
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PS: Plus the SOLO has a LOGICAL model numbering system unlike a certain other German chainsaw brand....
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Lawn Masters
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Which one? theres Stihl, and Dolmar.
Greg Carberry
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max2cam said:
I like the muffler fasteners myself, they are torx with teeth on the bottom seem to bite into the muffler and hold well.
I've noticed Solos seem to be less restricted than other saws. They have a much deeper tone. I sold my neighbor a 651SP and I can always hear him cutting firewood a 1/2 mile away. Thats bone stock, personally I like them right out of the box don't need any mods but I don't cut for a living.
A 662/667 would be a nice companion to your 690, I really enjoy my 662. Their a little heavier and not as fast as others but totally rock solid.
Saw Man
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Strongly advise against using internal or external star washers on the muffler bolts that go thru the muffler.
Muffler is about 18 ga folded sheet metal, and the vibration may fatigue the metal, causing it to vibrate, and cause muffler cracks faster.
Also aggravating this is when making certain cuts the muffler may touch-rub wood putting stress on the muffler & fasteners as it's levered against.
Have had good success by cleaning the cylinder holes, and fastener threads with Acetone, or Loc Tite cleaner, then applying Red # 271/272 Loc Tite.
Ideal fastener is Torx or Torx Plus, with serations that lock into the muffler.
Muffler is about 18 ga folded sheet metal, and the vibration may fatigue the metal, causing it to vibrate, and cause muffler cracks faster.
Also aggravating this is when making certain cuts the muffler may touch-rub wood putting stress on the muffler & fasteners as it's levered against.
Have had good success by cleaning the cylinder holes, and fastener threads with Acetone, or Loc Tite cleaner, then applying Red # 271/272 Loc Tite.
Ideal fastener is Torx or Torx Plus, with serations that lock into the muffler.
max2cam
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Greg Carberry said:
I doubt that I would have had a problem with this 690 if the FOOL who had it before me hadn't tampered with the muffler and cracked free the original factory-torqued fasteners and tossed out the gasket and spark-screen.
I know that this 690 has a deep tone to it. It starts really good too even though I keep it out where it gets cold. Of course the compression-release valve is what saves the day! I would hate trying to start a saw this big without one.
Right now with 4 good-running chainsaws it's tough to justify buying another one. But, I think the SOLO 662 or 667 would be the one that I'd pick.
max2cam
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oldsaw-addict said:
Those dang Dolmars: You can't figure out what size they are!
Seriously: Is there ANY logic to the Stihl model numbering system so you can figure out what the heck size saw in cc's they are talking about without having to memorize every single model by heart?
Like my 024: Do I reverse the numbers because it has 42cc? But that won't work for 026 because it sure ain't no 62cc. The 088: 88cc? Uh, that would be logical, but no that isn't right either....
max2cam
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Saw Man said:
Hmmmm.....that sounds like the stock items plus Loctite.
36cc SOLO
Looking for a small, low cost saw. Are the 36cc SOLO/Baily saws pretty good? Better than the Poulan/Husky's? Good as the little Echo's? Heard the Stihl 180's are ok, but I don't like the fancy chain tightening gizmo.
Looking for a small, low cost saw. Are the 36cc SOLO/Baily saws pretty good? Better than the Poulan/Husky's? Good as the little Echo's? Heard the Stihl 180's are ok, but I don't like the fancy chain tightening gizmo.
Felling Saw
Max , that 662 or the 667 would probably fell those 24" diameter Red Pines so fast that you would have more milling time . I haven't heard anyone mention but I'll say that when I took the muffler off my Solo built B45 that the bolt heads fit in a notch and the nuts are lock nuts . No threaded holes to strip and no locktite needed . Scott
Max , that 662 or the 667 would probably fell those 24" diameter Red Pines so fast that you would have more milling time . I haven't heard anyone mention but I'll say that when I took the muffler off my Solo built B45 that the bolt heads fit in a notch and the nuts are lock nuts . No threaded holes to strip and no locktite needed . Scott
Saw Man
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max2cam;
Your right....those are the OEM fastner.
Dolmars, I think have been real easy to determine displacement for quite a few years.
Examples two small Pro saws with over 1,000,000 (one million) made.
PS341, PS401 Same crankcase, same saw.
PS = Power Saw
First two numbers ,34, and 40 = Displacement
Last number, 1 = Second version or second generation.
So the first ones were PS340, PS400.
PS520, PS540 are the same saw except 52 & 54 cc.
Newer models like PS6400, PS7300, PS7900....same saw have one more digit.
PS= Power Saw
6400= 64cc
00 = First version.
Same applies to 7300, and 7900.
PS9010
Power saw
90=90cc
10= second version. Previous was a PS9000
Solo 670 (red top) was discontinued years ago in the USA, but you can swap cylinder/pistons between a 667 & 670.
Your right....those are the OEM fastner.
Dolmars, I think have been real easy to determine displacement for quite a few years.
Examples two small Pro saws with over 1,000,000 (one million) made.
PS341, PS401 Same crankcase, same saw.
PS = Power Saw
First two numbers ,34, and 40 = Displacement
Last number, 1 = Second version or second generation.
So the first ones were PS340, PS400.
PS520, PS540 are the same saw except 52 & 54 cc.
Newer models like PS6400, PS7300, PS7900....same saw have one more digit.
PS= Power Saw
6400= 64cc
00 = First version.
Same applies to 7300, and 7900.
PS9010
Power saw
90=90cc
10= second version. Previous was a PS9000
Solo 670 (red top) was discontinued years ago in the USA, but you can swap cylinder/pistons between a 667 & 670.
TonyM
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Dolmar is not Electrolux. It is owned by Makita.
Saw Man
ArboristSite Operative
No,
Nein,
Nyet,
Nueve.
Dolmar isn't part of E-lux conglamoration.
Owned by Makita, it's a seperate company. Located in the high tech industrial city of Hamburg, Germany it's been in business since 1927, having the honor of producing The World's First Chain Saw, and still in business.
Nein,
Nyet,
Nueve.
Dolmar isn't part of E-lux conglamoration.
Owned by Makita, it's a seperate company. Located in the high tech industrial city of Hamburg, Germany it's been in business since 1927, having the honor of producing The World's First Chain Saw, and still in business.
spacemule
The Peanut Gallery
sedanman
Just cut the piano!!
Glen, Dolmar DID produce the worlds first chainsaw, beat Stihl to the punch but then as now, Stihl had/has better advertising. Ben Crago (Stihl employee) admitted that Stihl was second.
Andreas Stihl developed the first electric chain saw in 1926 and one of the first portable, gasoline-powered chain saws in 1927.
Dolmar 1927
At this inventors site about halfway down the page click on - World's Oldest Chainsaw ?
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blchainsaw.htm
So it is NOT Dolmar or Stihl.
Ray
Dolmar 1927
At this inventors site about halfway down the page click on - World's Oldest Chainsaw ?
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blchainsaw.htm
So it is NOT Dolmar or Stihl.
Ray
Saw Man
ArboristSite Operative
Really can be quite interesting, even confusing at times of who is actually correct.
Site is wrong about world's first as related to the concept & application of "chain saw",
and right about Stihl developing a chain saw.
Interesting to learn about a California saw.
Please look at the timelines of Dolmar & Stihl sales lit over the last 10 years. Note the definative specific wording of "portable", "gasoline" (petrol), and "electric".
1926 Stihl was founded, and intro'd an electric bucking saw.
1927 Dolmar intro'd it's gasoline driven saw that both bucked, and felled on the Dolmar
mountain....henceforth it's name.
1929 Stihl intro'd it's first gasoline saw two year after Dolmar.
The chain saw as it is understood by application is understood to be both portable, and driven by gasoline internal combustion engine
An electric saw wasn't considered portable by limitations of not having truly portable generators, and wiring.
There wasreportedly a couple lawsuits, or attempts fron Stihl against Dolmar.
Most recent about two years ago was over color change by Dolmar. They started to use new new 'modern' glossy pastel orange & gray that have become popular. What was organge on a Dolmar was gray on Stihl.
Stihl 'sued' contending that people would think they're the same, being confused or not knowing would buy a Dolmar. Thereby Stihl would lose business, and severly hurt sales.
Dolmar dropped the orange & gray to avoid the suit penalties, going back to it's signature colors of orange & black. New Pro saws coloring will be gloss orange with black accents like the PS6400,7300,7900.
Site is wrong about world's first as related to the concept & application of "chain saw",
and right about Stihl developing a chain saw.
Interesting to learn about a California saw.
Please look at the timelines of Dolmar & Stihl sales lit over the last 10 years. Note the definative specific wording of "portable", "gasoline" (petrol), and "electric".
1926 Stihl was founded, and intro'd an electric bucking saw.
1927 Dolmar intro'd it's gasoline driven saw that both bucked, and felled on the Dolmar
mountain....henceforth it's name.
1929 Stihl intro'd it's first gasoline saw two year after Dolmar.
The chain saw as it is understood by application is understood to be both portable, and driven by gasoline internal combustion engine
An electric saw wasn't considered portable by limitations of not having truly portable generators, and wiring.
There wasreportedly a couple lawsuits, or attempts fron Stihl against Dolmar.
Most recent about two years ago was over color change by Dolmar. They started to use new new 'modern' glossy pastel orange & gray that have become popular. What was organge on a Dolmar was gray on Stihl.
Stihl 'sued' contending that people would think they're the same, being confused or not knowing would buy a Dolmar. Thereby Stihl would lose business, and severly hurt sales.
Dolmar dropped the orange & gray to avoid the suit penalties, going back to it's signature colors of orange & black. New Pro saws coloring will be gloss orange with black accents like the PS6400,7300,7900.
spacemule
The Peanut Gallery
Hmm. This brings a few different scenarios to my mind. Either Stihl is greatly underwhelmed by the intelligence level of their average user, hence saying that he won't know the difference, or they're marketing to the homeowner market--a group that is more likely to not know the difference. Another scenario is Stihl, as a bigger company, is trying to tie Dolmar's resources (smaller than Stihl's) up with bogus lawsuits, therefore hurting them. I hate this kind of bs. One thing is certain, though, Stihl feels threatened by Dolmar.Saw Man said:
max2cam
ArboristSite Guru
scottr said:
I'll bet the Solo 662 or 667 would cut that wood! I can see you guys are going to try and talk me into getting one....
I WISH this 690 had bolts and nuts instead of threaded holes which are always a pain. I even considered drilling out the holes and putting in nuts and bolts, or at least put a nut behind the screwed in screw. BUT, there was not enough room for a nut when I tried to mock it up that way.
