Some big timber and the reality of falling

[Gologit]

Funny how that works huh?

Yup. I'll start laughing any minute now. Or, then again, maybe not.

 

[madhatte]

I've asked a couple of Russian forestry professionals, how come virtually everything they produce is FSC certed, since the standards are pretty hard to meet even for the Finns. Well, they'd laugh and say 'Money can buy you things'.

Geeze, that's ugly. Almost wonder why we even bother.

 

[Samlock]

Geeze, that's ugly. Almost wonder why we even bother.

Corruption. Kinda demoralizing, isn't it?

 

[forestryworks]

I've asked a couple of Russian forestry professionals, how come virtually everything they produce is FSC certed, since the standards are pretty hard to meet even for the Finns. Well, they'd laugh and say 'Money can buy you things'.

That oughta give the hippies here a fit big enough to cause some ripples in Russian timber sales.

Or not.

 

[RandyMac]

Hippies would just disappear in Russia.

 

[Jacob J.]

That oughta give the hippies here a fit big enough to cause some ripples in Russian timber sales.

Or not.

Not. They don't have any concern with what goes on in Russia. In fact for most, they don't really even have much real concern for
what goes on here. They have a friend or relative organizing some protest and they get involved because it's a social thing.

I've talked to a few protesters on timber sales. It's amazing how clueless they are on natural resource issues and what actually goes
on in the woods.

 

[forestryworks]

I've talked to a few protesters on timber sales. It's amazing how clueless they are on natural resource issues and what actually goes on in the woods.

All the more reason for the equal access to the courts thing to have some limitations in place.

 

[Samlock]

Hippies would just disappear in Russia.

No kidding. Any hippie protest activity outside the big cities, that's just a bizarre idea in that country. They wouldn't get even near the logging grounds. Plus there's a certain reason why the Russian criminals have absolutely no respect over the western police forces and jails.

The lesson we have learned living 1000 years next to that country is: You can't change Russia. You just have to figure out how to take advantage of it.

 

[coastalfaller]

I looked into going over to Russia a couple years ago, was way too much corruption then, and guys packing uzi's who looked over the booms!

From what I've heard, and this is just hearsay, so take it for what it's worth, but apparently being that the border is so huge and the Russian Far East such a vast area, the Chinese would just cross the border and start logging! Where ever and how much they wanted! Again, just what I've heard.

Also heard that a major transportation challenge is that the Russians and Chinese use different guage on their railways. Meaning that at the border, the logs would have to be unloaded, trucked across then reloaded. Seems a bit far fetched, but then who knows!

 

[Sport Faller]

LoL, the lad is a flatlander.

Don't worry, he'll be up here for the GTG in June and he'll prolly just stay

 

[forestryworks]

Don't worry, he'll be up here for the GTG in June and he'll prolly just stay

Man I'd sure like to, but with the way my luck in job hunting and my money situation is going, I'll more than likely end up taking the first job I get offered.

Looking like CO for the summer.

 

[Samlock]

Also heard that a major transportation challenge is that the Russians and Chinese use different guage on their railways. Meaning that at the border, the logs would have to be unloaded, trucked across then reloaded. Seems a bit far fetched, but then who knows!

Back in the early 90's Trans-Sib from Moscow to Beijing, at the Mongolian-Chinese border they drove the train through an assembly hall, jacked up cars and swapped bogies to fit the narrow gauge. And vice versa. I haven't taken that trip ever since, but I guess they do the routine today as well.

 

[OlympicYJ]

Funny thing is, Chinese will get all the FSC certificated timber they need from Russia. I've asked a couple of Russian forestry professionals, how come virtually everything they produce is FSC certed, since the standards are pretty hard to meet even for the Finns. Well, they'd laugh and say 'Money can buy you things'.

And another reason to add to my list of why I hat FSC.

 

[madhatte]

And another reason to add to my list of why I hat FSC.

I see FSC as a good thing -- as long as we are FSC-certified, we are allowed to be self-policing, and are COMPLETELY free of state and federal oversight regarding forest practices, inasmuch as the certification states that we have already exceeded all requirements of those levels of government. Of course, this requires that both the certifying body and the landowner be honest; all I can say to that is "so far, so good". It would be easy to abuse FSC certification in a place like SE Russia, where law is as loose as some of my more ribald similes.

 

[Jacob J.]

Man I'd sure like to, but with the way my luck in job hunting and my money situation is going, I'll more than likely end up taking the first job I get offered.

Looking like CO for the summer.

Is it going to be something decent?

 

[tramp bushler]

, Thats the problem with computers . The brain learns but the body don't . Jameson needs t shut his puter off and go get a job hideing babbet on a tower . Then he'll be in the right place to get on buckin for some outfit . Then single jackin . Once you learn how to fall + buck west coast timber on steep ground , do a good job with your timber and stay alive+ healthy . It's easy to learn how to cut anywhere . . . . He's not quite hungry enough yet . But I think he's gainin on er.

 

[OlympicYJ]

I see FSC as a good thing -- as long as we are FSC-certified, we are allowed to be self-policing, and are COMPLETELY free of state and federal oversight regarding forest practices, inasmuch as the certification states that we have already exceeded all requirements of those levels of government. Of course, this requires that both the certifying body and the landowner be honest; all I can say to that is "so far, so good". It would be easy to abuse FSC certification in a place like SE Russia, where law is as loose as some of my more ribald similes.[/QUOTE

I know that FSC is even more stringent than the Washington Forest and Fish Rules but I believe they would still fall under the WADNR oversight though. As far as review by the Forest Practices Forester is concerned. I mean they wouldn't not review them I don't think.