sore saw prices

[ROLLACOSTA]

if theres someone from Husqvarna [top brass] reading this thread,could he or she explain to me and the rest of your european customers why your saws in the states are exactly half the european price????? and also why is it not possible to get full round handles for big saws here???

 

[Sylvatica]

Can't address the price disparity issue, but just afew years ago, I could count on a once-yearly sale on 372s and 044s.
I think that they were trying to stoke the fires of pro-user promotion and compete against each other.
Then Stihl went to strict, straight across pricing.
And when I asked my Husky dealer if he would be running any pro saw specials, he said forget about it.
Prices are going up and staying up.

 

[DDM]

Rolla? Why dont you Order Them from the US? Would Freight be an Issue?

 

[Stumper]

I'm not Husky brass but I can take a guess. Taxes. Even after import taxes I bet our pseudo-socialist government isn't taxing things like your Euro socialists. :alien:

 

[TimberMcPherson]

You wanna know what really stinks, is that some saw online sellers are no longer selling husky saws to overseas customers. Dammit. I can buy anything else, just not saws.

Its not taxes as there are no import taxes on saws in this country.

Heres my theory (okay I have a little marketing background so its not all out of my tin foil hat).Part of it is the fact that the US has to be the biggest market for saws so there is a certain amount of saving by being able to sell bulk as instead of one distributer making 30k a year on 300 saw has to make 100 on each saw, if hes selling 3000 saws he only has to make $10 per saw.(economy of scale.)
The US had a strong local saw manufacturing industry so there was local competition, saws had to he sold cheaper to be competitive. If saw prices with the imported saws rise then it would leave the market open for other companies to produce pro saws.
No matter what some one is making good money selling us saws at these rediculous prices.

I would so love to fill a whole container with MS200's and 046s and 66's and sell them here at cost just to get at stihl and maybe motivate some price movement. I dont care about making money, I would just like to get stihl for hitting me for over 450 dollars for a ms200 barrel and piston.

My next saw is going to come from Dozer Dan

 

[Stumper]

I really meant the tax answer for the european nations-You Kiwis are just too isolated with too small of a market.

 

[TimberMcPherson]

Ah but at least we are as far as possible from Celine dion and rosanne barr (Looking at the bright side.)

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

no stumper i'ts nothing to do with tax ,when a saw comes here the import tax is a max of 3% and we have sales which is !7.5% i can claim back all of my sales tax [we call this tax ..V.AT. value added tax ] all companys earning over £50,000 must be VAT registerd we collect tax on our labour which we pay the treasury/govermant and when we buy a product ie a saw we can claim this tax back ie mr home owner might pay £117.5 for a product yet we tax exempt only pay £100..you must have a simaler system over in the states

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

fuel is a differant matter tax on feul is about 70%

 

[Ax-man]

Rolla,

What puzzles me is that UK doesn't manufacture it's own brand of saw so you wouldn't have to rely on imported saws. The UK can manufacture about anything else, why not saws???

Larry

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

it's a lot cheaper to get little china men to build things for us or so they say,aren't all husky pro saws made in sweden?? does the USA have it's own stihl and husky factory's?

 

[spacemule]

I would so love to fill a whole container with MS200's and 046s and 66's and sell them here at cost just to get at stihl and maybe motivate some price movement. I dont care about making money, I would just like to get stihl for hitting me for over 450 dollars for a ms200 barrel and piston.

My next saw is going to come from Dozer Dan

Let me get this straight. You're going to diss Stihl by selling a whole container of their saws for them?

 

[Stumper]

Mac, I kinda like Celine Dion......... '

Rolly, What do I know? I have heard that the Swedes Tax the Maufacturers differently depending upon whether the end product is going for export (taxed less or exempted) or staying in country. Perhaps they extend that to the whole EU-I don't know. Stihl and Husky do have factories in the U.S. -but they only make the homeowner lines here as far as I know-The larger/Pro saws are still made abroad. Of course we do have the largest market so that may be affecting our prices simply due to volume and extensive competition.

 

[GeorgeWLogger]

Rollocosta,

Stop whinning. Does the cost of a saw really matter?

Have you ever considered taking a business 101 class?

Are the costs of saw/saws going to put arborists/loggers out of business in the UK? I hardly think so. The ones that are not Hacks will buy new saws and have their customers pay for them..... The ones that are Hacks will ????? that: Saws Cost Toooooo Much.... Waaa Waaa Waaa.

Have you ever tried figgrin or cyfrin out the hourly cost of a saw? Lets do some cyfrin togather, Mkay. I will figgrin really high saw costs(Doubled for the Waaa Factor). To make the cyfrin easier, we will just look at the HARD COSTS of the SAW.

Stihl ms200 $1000.00USD (DOUBLE THE ACTUAL COST. We will call
this the Waaa Factor)
Daily hours billed 4

Days worked Weekly 6

Weeks per year 52

Total hours yearly 1248 Yearly

Lets say that saw is going to be in service 18 months.

Saw Life 1872 Life

Lets divide the cost of the saw $1000 by the life hours of the saw 1872 and come up with our hourly cost of the saw. Hold on whilst I get my slide rule........................................DingDong ByeGolly. The way I am Figgrin...... the hourly cost(Inflated for the Waaa Factor) of a $1000 dollar climbing saw is .53 cents per hour. The actual cost of the saw per hour not figgrin for the Waaa factor is 26.7 cents per hour.

Are you having a hard time getting that extra 26.7 cents an hour for your work?

Maybe you could address this issue at Husqvarna's the next "TOP BRASS" meeting. I think that the "TOP BRASS" at Husqvarna will get right on your 26.7 cents an hour problem.

Good Luck!!!

GeorgeW

 

[bwalker]

Ah but at least we are as far as possible from Celine dion and rosanne barr (Looking at the bright side.)

Point well taken!

 

[bwalker]

Are you guys considering the effect of taxes indirectly on the cost of the goods you buy? After all business just passes the cost of doing business off on the consumer.
For this reason almost everything in Canada is more expensive than in the US yet people are making less money and are taxed more!

 

[MacDaddy]

You just dont understand Ive been sending that 26.7 cents a hour to Sally Struthers for the poor little kids

 

[TimberMcPherson]

Let me get this straight. You're going to diss Stihl by selling a whole container of their saws for them?

By selling a heap at lower prices it will take sales away from Stihl nz and is distributors and hopefully motivate them to lower the prices on their products.If you get enough consumers deciding what is the acceptable cost, the cost will generally come down.

Baileys has sold huskys to sweden. Now thats a tax Fu.

GeorgeWlogger, if they doubled the price of saws for you I think we would hear alot of Waaaa waaa. I just hate getting ripped off, and it is a rip off.

It make no sence that I can order 2 346's from the US and pay for postage and pay a customs broker and still only pay the equivelent of one 346 in NZ retail cost.

 

[ROLLACOSTA]

i agree Timber i'd like to see some of our American friends faces if they had to pay what we have to pay for kit i think we would see an enormous amount of waa waa [have you heard them when gas prices go up ],a mini tiddler 6'' 35 hp chipper costs more overhere than the price of a 12inch 80hp in the states ..i'd say you boys down under are hit harder than us Brits but it still hurts oh and by the way arbo's in the states earn more than us a lot more

 

[GeorgeWLogger]

New Forum

Maybee we should create a new forum here..... you know the "whinner and cry babies" forum or better yet. The "We don't know how to price our work to make enough money to buy equipment forum".

It could be included in the "Other Forums" section.

Your Friend

GeorgeW