Splicing

[Jim1NZ]

Just wondering who to talk to about splicing climbing ropes etc?
I'm hanging out to learn correct climbing rope splicing, but is it practical to learn on line?
I spliced a 3 strand chain saw strop, that was a mission in itself.
I heard you cant splice a rope once you've used it a few times as the frays in the rope stuff up the splice / make it harder to do?...

 

[MasterBlaster]

This guy might be able to help you.

 

[Husky288XP]

Splicing is a useful skill to keep in your arsenal, as for splicing used cordage it can be difficult. Is the rope third-strand or sixteen-strand?

 

[NickfromWI]

Thank you MB.

Just wondering who to talk to about splicing climbing ropes etc?
I'm hanging out to learn correct climbing rope splicing, but is it practical to learn on line?
I spliced a 3 strand chain saw strop, that was a mission in itself.
I heard you cant splice a rope once you've used it a few times as the frays in the rope stuff up the splice / make it harder to do?...

You came to the right place. To answer your first question- it is not IDEAL to learn on line, but by combining the little you learn here with any other sources you have available, you should be able to produce some very usable splices.

When you spliced the 3 strand, were you following directions from a book, or were you freestyling?

Used rope CAN be spliced, it's just harder to do, and SOMETIMES is impossible. It is best to learn on new rope.

So what is it you're trying to splice. Feel free to email me any questions you have, or you can always post them here!

love
nick

 

[Lumberjack]

Hey, talk to nick, he taught me how to splice 16 strand The first splice I ever made is on my lanyard I am fixing to retire.

 

[MasterBlaster]

I am fixing to retire.

Dam bro, you've done that well so quick? WoW!

 

[Lumberjack]

Hahahaha You know I meant the lanyard?

 

[MasterBlaster]

Yah,yah...

 

[Lumberjack]

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www.rtssllc.com still in its infancty

 

[Jim1NZ]

cheers all.

The rope is baster 16 strand, but i would eventually like to be able to splice the new 24 strand ropes. For now, i think il concentrate on the arbormaster - blue streak
Yea i was just going off a 3 diagram information page when i spliced my 3 strand chainsaw strop.
Cheers for the info on splicing older ropes too Nick

 

[Manco]

You can get some good info from Samson rope. It is good to look at a splice and be able to tell someone you did it yourself.

 

[Jim1NZ]

To true, cheers Manco

 

[Tree Machine]

The 24-strands, I was told (by Petzl) are not splicable. Nick will back me up on this as we got him samples to try out.

The terminations can be sewn to create an eye, either by machine or with an awl, but this has issues. And there is a proprietary helical method that's come out of Switzerland that will work with ANY rope (except 3-strand). Works especially well with the firm, semi-static 11 mm's and 13 mm bull rope. This technique will likely not be released in the United States.

 

[seanlarkin]

TreeMachine,

I think Jim meant the new Velocity, Blaze and Poison Ivy 24-strand climbing lines. Those are all spliceable.

-Sean

 

[Tree Machine]

Sorry, bad post on my part. I was referring off the 11 mm 24-strand Petzl VECTOR, a fabulous rope, but Petzl told me definitely not splicable. I wrongly assumed the other 24-strands were of similar construction and therefore, similarly, not splicable. Bad, bad, treeguy !

I should have recalled back at TCIA Detroit in November when buying a 120 Velocity from Sherrill that we had to dig around to find one that was not spliced.

I stand corrected, and mildly embarrassed. :blush: Thanks, Sean

 

[NickfromWI]

Yeah TM, about those Petzl ropes you had sent to me a few months ago. I tried and tried, and I'm going to have to side with petzl on this one and say that the Vector is NOT spliceable.

I sure had fun trying, though! I tried a few things that would give a good eye to clip in to, but probably only hold maybe 60% of the breaking strength of the rope. Nothing worth calling a good splice.

That rope is a good candidate for the good ol' fashioned fisher persons knot! I don't think it's a big deal because this pretty-static rope might best be used in SRT where line termination is not of major importance.

Blaze splices quite nicely.

love
nick

 

[Tree Machine]

Blaze ovalizes terribly and is the slipperiest rope I've ever climbed on. Not that it's a bad rope, I'm having some fun with it. Seems to be losing it's slippery coat as the days go on. It's almost like it had been siliconed.

Between it flattening and being slippery, controlling friction has been an interesting challenge. Encourages me to try other methods of friction control, and that's always good.

I sent my VECTOR to Mexico on a caving expedition in Oaxaca. I miss that sucker. Quite possibly the finest rope I've ever climbed on, though not 'conventionally' splicable.

Me loves me 11 mm's.

 

[NickfromWI]

I haven't witnessed the flattengin/ovalizing you mention. I've been quite happy with the "roundness" of my blaze.

love
nick

 

[NickfromWI]

Here's the link for the 16 strand climbing line splice from samson's site. http://www.samsonrope.com/home/pdf/ClassI_16Strand_EyeSplice.pdf

These are the best 16 strand splicing directions I've seen, other than the one's from Buccanneer Rope manufacturing in Alabama. Has anyone ever seen those?

love
nick

 

[Redbull]

I'm trying to use those instructions to try my first splice on a safety blue hi-vee. I'm a little unclear on step 4. Do I pull out the marked braids completely, and how do I get them out. Thanks, Brandon.