square filing?

[ZinTrees]

im looking into square filing chain, how much better/worse is it? I know its a little harder to learn but seems to have nicer results
I saw inbred jed using a regular old triangle file, and others using some weird mix between a flat and triangle file, does it really matter what file I use?


p.s, what are some good round files?

 

[Woodslasher]

im looking into square filing chain, how much better/worse is it? I know its a little harder to learn but seems to have nicer results
I saw inbred jed using a regular old triangle file, and others using some weird mix between a flat and triangle file, does it really matter what file I use?


p.s, what are some good round files?

Oregon or Stihl makes good round files, personally I think square filing is too much work for an all-around chain but to each his own. You can use either a triangle file or a specialty file, it doesn't really matter provided you do it right.

 

[ZinTrees]

ok, any round file size you recommend? Buckin billy ray uses a 3/16 on his small saws, I dont recall what he uses on the big saws, id imagine its the same

 

[Woodslasher]

ok, any round file size you recommend? Buckin billy ray uses a 3/16 on his small saws, I dont recall what he uses on the big saws, id imagine its the same

I am the wrong person to ask, but I'll do my best. I use 7/32 for .404 and tall/"fresh" 3/8 chains and I'll use 3/16 for used or shorter toothed 3/8 chains.

 

[ZinTrees]

thanks man

 

[Clyde85]

Oregon recommends 3/16 for .325 chain, 7/32 for 3/8 chain and .404 chain.

 

[Ben Hur]

It’s worth it if you have the time and patience to master the technique, it will cut faster 100% but sharpening a chain square filing is harder than it looks.

 

[Ben Hur]

Inbred didn’t use a typical triangle file it looks like one but isn’t. A triangle with edges flat.

 

[Del_]

Inbred didn’t use a typical triangle file it looks like one but isn’t. A triangle with edges flat.

Is that the file that is sometimes call a 'goofy'?

 

[ZinTrees]

Inbred didn’t use a typical triangle file it looks like one but isn’t. A triangle with edges flat.

ohhh, without checking I think its gonna be easier to find a goofy file

 

[Ben Hur]

ohhh, without checking I think its gonna be easier to find a goofy file

This is the other version of square file.
https://stahlssupplies.com/7-Flat-Chisel-Bit-File-Use-to-sharpen-square-ground-chain_p_810.html

 

[ZinTrees]

was looking at some pferd files earlier, pricey, might try the one you linked, seems like a fair price
not like it could be that bad anyways

 

[Ben Hur]

at first the process is aggravating trying to get the angle right but once you get the correct angle it’s like riding a bike once you get it, it’s easy after that.

 

[Up_and_climber]

Pferd is a good company that makes files for “square filing”. I did it for awhile but each file I could get was around 13 dollars a file. The technique was very hard to get down for me. I went though a couple different chains at work before I noticed a good sharpness. I will admit it cuts a helluva lot better. I do a mix of felling/bucking and slashing, and I gotta say I would really only want to use the square grind for falling and bucking. It seems to dull faster and at 13 bucks a file I wouldn’t want to do it if I was slashing a lot. That being said. If I could get my hands on a cheaper simington square grinder I’d just square grind all of my larger bars and call it a day


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[Squareground3691]

Vallorbe , make a very good file weather round or double bevel

 

[sean donato]

I like save edge myself, although they are a pain to get recently pferd is my second choice. I use a double bevel file for square grinds. The "triangle" style I have trouble keeping the angle right. Last file I got was around $7.00. Only have a few square chains on longer bars. Sure is a heck of a lot faster till it dulls out. Only use it in clean wood for that reason.

 

[Casawfan]

Vallorbe , make a very good file weather round or double bevel

The best files IMO

 

[North by Northwest]

Square filing like any new technique takes practice & proper quality files . A triangle file is the old school file which is the easiest to begin with . The goofy file & double bevel flat files require a little more understanding of the edge or corner between the top & side plate edge . This is wear the working edges meet that allow the effective cutting & removal of wood chips . Square files are marginally to quite a bit more expensive depending on quality than regular round files . I religiously file around 15-20 chains a week for family , friends & customers . Routinely once a person cuts with square ground or hand filed chain they will never go back . In clean wood its night & day difference within the speed of the cut . More or less like full chisel vs semi chisel . The downside with square filed is that it tends to dull quicker in dirty wood , which reduces its rate of speed in the cut . That's is why during commercial cutting , where dirty wood can be quite common round filed or ground chain usage is preferred , since it can be quickly resharpened by any competent feller/ cutter . Not every Commercial saw operator has the expertise with a square file . However any competent chain saw owner can become a knowledgible & effective square filer within a weekends practise . My Uncle taught me when I was a teenager how to file both round & square equally as well within one fall cutting session on the farm . Another perk of square filed chain is within limbing & felling sessions , especially Humboldts & small spars . It cuts smooth but aggressively , with little kick back potential even with aggressive rakers .
Anyhow just thought I would lend my two cents . Inbred Jed & Buckin Billy have some practical resourceful sharpening video's on the subject on the web indicating the subtle difference within round & square tooth filing technuques ...Cheers !

 

[can]

just start to learn this, is itt possible to file the ‘’normal’’ way from the innside and out as with round filing. Bucking Billy Ray do this sometimes and Ironhorse, but the latest I am not able to find the YouTube video any more, but I remember him saying to have the file uppward, ,45 degrees tilt and 45 degrees to the bar.

 

[ZinTrees]

just start to learn this, is itt possible to file the ‘’normal’’ way from the innside and out as with round filing. Bucking Billy Ray do this sometimes and Ironhorse, but the latest I am not able to find the YouTube video any more, but I remember him saying to have the file uppward, ,45 degrees tilt and 45 degrees to the bar.

I always square file inside to outside, always works good for me, but I do sometimes end up filing into a tiestrap