Starting from scratch..

[outdoorlivin247]

Reading your thread title made me think of a Carl Sagan Quote...

“If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe.”

 

[Arkansashunter]

Good stuff guys...and i'll take your advice.

Just for a note, I never watched ANY of those logging shows...
I rarely do hang out on the puter, sometimes I do..but not like the normal teenager.

How hard is it to get a job working for somebody in this economy?

 

[outdoorlivin247]

Good stuff guys...and i'll take your advice.

Just for a note, I never watched ANY of those logging shows...
I rarely do hang out on the puter, sometimes I do..but not like the normal teenager.

How hard is it to get a job working for somebody in this economy?

Easy if you are an honest, hard working individual...

 

[056kid]

Good stuff guys...and i'll take your advice.

Just for a note, I never watched ANY of those logging shows...
I rarely do hang out on the puter, sometimes I do..but not like the normal teenager.

How hard is it to get a job working for somebody in this economy?

Depending on how much experience you have, it can be quite difficult even with the ability to get the job done. Mist loggers are getting by just barely..

 

[GASoline71]

Good stuff guys...and i'll take your advice.

Just for a note, I never watched ANY of those logging shows...
I rarely do hang out on the puter, sometimes I do..but not like the normal teenager.

How hard is it to get a job working for somebody in this economy?

I'm just a "hired gun"... I go fall stuff when I get called. I don't have to rig and dig on the landing and stuff. I go cut... I go home. I have a job that is not related to the woods. So I cut in my off time...

I have actually taken time off from my "real" job for a week at a time to go cut/fall timber. But that's few and far between now... Just keep lookin', and somethin' will show up.

Gary

 

[slowp]

Go to school and take lots of math. Then you can go into forestry. I predict a shortage of foresters...it has already started. A 2 year degree is accepted more now than it used to, but it is best to go for the big one. There's more choices. You can always log during the summers, if you can find a job, and then after college. There's a few loggers out there with forestry degrees.

You can be an operations forester. That's kind of what I do. Then you can spend time out and about in the units, and checking up on and annoying the loggers. I even get to run a saw sometimes.

But, DON'T SKIMP ON THE MATH CLASSES!!

There's lots of math to be done in forestry. Computer stuff too. The latter was not good to me today....

 

[kkottemann]

Slowp beat me to it. I got a degree in forestry....hard times right now. You want to be in the biz...go to college, get a degree in forestry. work summers for loggers or for the forest service in fire mgmt. then get a mba...you combine those two degrees with some good hands on expierience you will be a valuable asset to a company or agency somewhere! you got to get your head on straight though....get back in school and apply yourself. and yes!!!! girls at college rock! plenty of fun there! good luck!

 

[slowp]

You might be able to go for my job, next year. :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[crackajeff]

Like slowp said, take LOTS of math in high school. I'm at West Virginia U. now for forestry and math is my biggest problem because I didn't take enough in high school. And once you get past the first semester college isn't that bad. I know my first semester all I wanted to do was drop out and get a job in logging, construction, or wildland firefighting. It gets better once you get some forestry classes in your schedule. And be sure to do extra stuff too. If the college you decide to go to has a woodsmen/timbersports team, join it. You'll learn a lot from the older people on the team and have a blast. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

[056kid]

I am trying hard now to get through college, I hated the academic aspect of highschool. I thought it was gonna be different in college but its the same so far. i need to find me a good school with some people that I can relate to. It just seems that everyone my age is 100 % grade A retarded. Heavy metal, pop music and video games is all they are interested in. They are great at book learning but have no common sence. ugg..

 

[Jacob J.]

I don't know that there's a real shortage of foresters currently, but there will be soon enough. In the late 80's when logging was slowing down on Federal lands, there was a glut of "professional" foresters, meaning foresters with degrees who usually worked as contract admins or timber sale admins. BLM here put many on the surplus list or moved them over to silviculture and fire. The forest service had many surplussed as well. Some went back to school and filled out a biological sciences angle on their education and went to work as *ologists.

I agree with all the advice so far here, go to college and get a degree in some sort of natural resource discipline. You could just as easily be a company forester for a large land management company and run your own small logging company as an extra outlet. One guy I've cut timber for in the past does that- he's a company forester for Roseburg Resources that does his own mom + pop logging thing on the side.

 

[crackajeff]

Yeah the school part of school sucks, except for my major classes. I got lucky and found some people in my major that I have a lot in common with. And yeah I've noticed how many students are just plain stupid. I'm amazed at how many college aged guys that can't change a flat tire or unclog a drain. I thought I was going to be around smart people in college:greenchainsaw:

 

[Arkansashunter]

Ok you guys have got me convinced...
Not sure how I'm gonna go back to school..I've hated it completely...
Like some of you guys said, people are completely stupid now adays. None of them get along with me real well

Got any ideas what I can do during the summer to benefit myself???

 

[GASoline71]

Ok you guys have got me convinced...
Not sure how I'm gonna go back to school..I've hated it completely...
Like some of you guys said, people are completely stupid now adays. None of them get along with me real well

Got any ideas what I can do during the summer to benefit myself???

So you dropped out? Now wanna become a logger? Aye yi yi... Get you butt back in class amigo!

Gary

 

[Arkansashunter]

So you dropped out? Now wanna become a logger? Aye yi yi... Get you butt back in class amigo!

Gary[/QUOTE}

I will...

 

[056kid]

STAY IN SCHOOL. It sucks, but the ladys are somthing else..... zbout the only way I can stand to attend class...

 

[madhatte]

Agreed 100% with everybody who says "STAY IN SCHOOL". I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but if it hasn't, I'd like to suggest a 2-year Community College degree in Forestry. It will teach you the WHYS and WHENS of the timber industry, so that the HOWS will make more sense to you once you're on the ground.

'Course, you might not want to listen to me; I'm just an "ologist" who works in Forestry even though I've never gotten a formal Forestry education. Still, I've been at it a few years now and it's paying the bills, so I count myself both lucky and successful.

EDIT: SlowP beat me to it!

Addendum: LEARN ArcGIS! That skill is worth its weight in gold!

(Plus cartography is fun)

 

[stihlcrazy20]

Stay in school, i was fortunate enough to buy into my dads construction company straight out of high school and that pays for my firewood bussiness. Last summer I decided to log with my father in law on a 20 acre pine deal. When all was said and done after a month of hard work busting our asses all day we walked away with $4,500 profit each not worth it at all. Get a college education and you can make more then that a month easy. For example my brother went to college 5yrs and became an arcitect he makes $6,000 a month reading and writing blueprints. BTW im only 21 so take my advice for what its worth to you but i personally make more in a month in construction then i did in a month of logging. Wish i would have went to college after high school but i chose c to follow the family footsteps, fourtunatly it worked for me but it wasnt easy i had to climb the ranks from clean-up ##### to my position of co-owner/foreman

 

[nhlogga]

I am trying hard now to get through college, I hated the academic aspect of highschool. I thought it was gonna be different in college but its the same so far. i need to find me a good school with some people that I can relate to. It just seems that everyone my age is 100 % grade A retarded. Heavy metal, pop music and video games is all they are interested in. They are great at book learning but have no common sence. ugg..

I call that book smart and brain dead.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[nhlogga]

I agree wih everyone else. Stay in school. At the very least graduate high school. I am just fortunate enough that there were lots of loggers in my area that could use an extra hand from time to time. I started out doing fire wood for my grand father at $10 per cord. I have chipped brush with a hand chipper for little money. It took a long time to get where I am now and I don't regret one bit of it. It also helps that I am a 3rd generation logger. My dad tried to steer me away from the logging business but I didn't listen. I would tell you to graduate high school. Then try working for someone just to see if you even really want to do it. Logging is hard work and isn't for everyone. I know lots of people who were all gung ho to cut wood but when they got going realized it's not for them. Your still young. Try different things. I wish you lots of luck.