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I'm one of those "surplussed people." They hammered the engineers and the foresters.

I am considered a forestry technician officially. The loggers call me the forester. I went to a 2 year college and then to OSU for a 10 week course in forest engineering.

Right now in our agency, there's a major shortage of engineers. There are also quite a few forester jobs. With a 2 year degree, you might get up the ladder as far as what is known as a GS 12, if you are in Timber Sale Administration. Of course, you would end up being in a larger city or town and wouldn't see the woods too much at that level, which is the Timber Sale Contracting Officer. But the opportunities are there.

We baby boomers are retiring. The workshop I went to last week, as usual, had folks trying to recruit or steal other folks away. There is already a shortage.

The good points of what I do? I work on my own, can come and go at all hours if I want, and can get out in the woods. I like working around logging operations, I like seeing people get things done, and loggers are characters.
Right now there isn't much logging going on so I've been flagging and tagging units for an upcoming timber sale.

The bad points? I work for a bureauocracy. I am where it all rolls down to. I often have to make sure the loggers do things that they know, and I know, are very stupid and might be harmful in the long run, but the people who went to more college are requiring it to be done. The people who have more schooling have more sayso. That's the way it is.

Like loggers, we get hurt. With us it is soft tissue damage. The knees are vulnerable. I've trashed an ankle. It now seems to lock in place going up steep hills. I've torn rib cartilage twice, and broke a finger. I tore my calf muscles in one leg big time. You should see me climb out of the pickup at the end of the day. I go slow.

But, I like my job when I'm out in the woods. Can't think of anywhere else that I'd like to work....well maybe as a snow ranger or river ranger.:) It is when I'm having to take part in a meeting, or in the office...politics, that I do not like my job.

Get back in school, take math. If I made it through the engineering stuff, anybody can. I was told to stay away from science and math because I had no aptitude......HAH!:) I got all A's and one B from OSU.
 
One of the guys on our [contracted] planting crew this year is a ENGB on a FS Type 2 crew, does PCT in the spring and cuts cedar boughs in the winter. I told him he already works all year in the woods, might as well pick up a certificate or two and make a career out of it and stop chasing contracts. Sharp dude. Watched him suss out some geology stuff from observation that lots of edumacated folks never quite get. We need more sharp folks in the woods!
 
Hint: if you don't like the school you're at, find another. I've been a student at three "Institutions Of Higher Learning" and moved on twice. Don't be afraid to pack up and get outta Dodge. It's your life -- INVEST IN IT.

What he said.

I'm on school number 4 - 2yr. forestry school - this is it for now.
 
Come on up for a summer if you want to get a good taste of logging. I only have a 2 man crew. We do alot of things the hard way but we get it done. Trust us stay in school and you will not be doing the hardest job in woods.

Ray
 
I would be REALLY intrested in working with somebody during the summer...
who knows...

You guys are giving me good advice, and if I'm smart I'll listen..
 
school/work hard?

either way i had grown up i had been bustin my ass cuttin wood and logging on my weekends with my uncle. i hated working with the public i had worked in grocery stores and hardware store. yea that life isnt bad at all, but i hate being talked down by the boss. so i came my own boss. school isnt for everyone. but trust me listen to peoples advice. im only 24 i am plenty young. but its what i been bred for. i know nothing else, but the air conditioned store was pretty nice in the summer. search your career on your own guy and good luck. whatever makes you happy in the end.
 
So... for now... stay in school. Get a hot rod, chase all the girls, play sports, all that teenage stuff... you're not the first very young kid to pop up on here wantin' to be a logger.

I'll say to you what I have always said to them... no need to hang out on an internet forum with saw geeks and loggers... currently working loggers, and busted up loggers... go experience your young life... push the computer away and go fishin', rebuild a carburetor, get in trouble, fix up an old dirt bike, run around town with your buddies raisin' hell...

Ya don't need to be hangin' around here... get out there kid. Before you know it you'll be thirty... and that's no joke. I'd give almost anything to spend my high school years over again. Of course knowing what I know now would be great... :laugh:

Good luck... and stop watchin' all the retarded loggin' shows on TV... that's only a small taste of what real loggin' is. and a lot of that crap is made up drama for tv.

Gary

That is all great advice. ^

Ive been out of High School for 2 years now, and Ill tell ya. GO TO SCHOOL! Ive worked about 20 different odd jobs, to decide what all I dont want to do and it has helped. But I am going to put myself through school when I go back, so everything Ive learned along the way has helped me out. Doesnt really matter about who is in the school with you, you just need to do your best.
Best thing to do, would be go duck hunting :)
 
I would say do as others are saying and focus on a different career outside of logging while you are young and make your fortune somewhere else. If you really want to work in the woods, buy a small tract of forest land after you make your money as an investment and a hobby. Then you can log/play on your own land without the struggles of trying to make a living from it. At least for me that's the most fun way to be in the logging business.
 
Good point OregonFirewood...

All the cats I know that are loggers did not just decide one day... "Ya know what? I wanna be a logger..." It came down to either a family business, or it was basically the only/best option for them at the time. But that was back in the day when you could drive your truck up to the landing and put on a pair of hand me down corks and ask for a job... and get hired on the spot. Usualy it was a last resort... :laugh:

One of my best buds that is one of the best damn loggers I know is part owner of a Loggin' Co. that his Grandfather started waayyy back when. He hates it... literally hates it. But he couldn't let down his gramps or his pops... so he stays in the business to keep it alive in his family. One day his son and daughter will run the company. He told me recently he looks forward to that day.

I told him it's in his blood... he will be loggin', hate it or not, until the day he dies. He told me... "Crap... you're probably right." For some it's just the way it is mang... :)

Gary

Gary
 
I've got a son about your age, he's a sophmore in high school currently. He is a unique kid, he is a workaholic. He didn't have much of a childhood, I'd pick him up everyday after school and bring him to my office, he sat around and listened to six or seven guys sell sporting goods products all day. I used to travel alot, made a chit pot full of money for a while, some years close to 300k, like an idiot I spent most of it. I had to retire due to health reasons, we moved back to a farm, close to where I grew up when he was 12. I've always encouraged my kids to work. Last summer he hauled almost 13,000 square bales at .10 cents a piece, winter before he, his brother and a friend cut almost a 100 cord of firewood, this winter the same crew with my help cut 371 cord and sold it, this spring his brother and him expanded their lawn service, they have over 30k in contract mowing. I can tell you this, he is doing this so he can get his hiney in school and not have to bust his ass everyday like he thinks he has too now. I have a different perspective, you see the doctors tell me I have this disease that will get me within the next 3 to 4 years, I worked for 18 years at a job paying great money, hated getting up and going in everyday, one day just got up and resigned, went to work for a big sporting goods company, again lots of money, liked the people and the job, hated the travel one month I was away from home right at 21 days, it sucked, even the perks, hunting with Realtree,Mossy Oak and a lot of guys on the outdoor channel, just about every species in North America, it got old, it became a job in itself, trying to kiss the customer's azz making sure he killed a trophy on your tab. When I got sick, I thought I had lost it all.
Hell, I just really found it, what is important is your family and your health, make sure you find employment in something you enjoy doing everyday, it helps if it pays the bills,lol, but the most important thing is that it makes you happy, that happiness will rub off on the people you are around. That's my advice, do what makes you happy, but make sure you have a few choices or alternative skills, in todays world employment can end tommorrow and you better have something to fall back on. Finish school, go to a Jr. College or Tech school, even though I was a Army officer both active and the majority of service in the reserves, I can recommend either the Air Force or the Navy if you need some time to grow up, earn some money and these two services excel at giving great technical educations, your not just humping a rifle around or washing tanks. Best part is the community college of the air force, you can get your education while serving. It's something you need to put a lot of thought into, I agree with another's advice don't rush it, make some time for yourself, it's something I preach to my boys all the time.
Best of luck to you!
 
I know Arkansas is a long ways from the oceans, but my advice is to join the USCG. You can gain a lot of headway in life in the service.
USCG is now under HOMSEC control, and it's the easiest branch of the service to become an officer in. US military officers have a HUGE head start on civilians in the corporate sector of private business. 98 out of 100 CEOs in this country are former military officers.

Logging is a great way of life for a man who doesn't mind long days of hot hard work...and a lifetime of it....all for an uncertain retirement.
I would advise you to at least research the US coast guard before risking life and limb and financial future on logging.

EDIT:
I should qualify this advice by telling you that I myself have done a fair amount of research on various trade schools, collages, and branches of the US military for my 16 year old daughter. I am trying hard to get her into either the USCG or, god help me here, the USAF. The USAF only wants the very best of the best, and my kid isn't all that ambitious with her school grades. I keep telling her that her grades are super important to her future, but her laptop computer is all she can see these days. The USCG is within her reach, and from what I'm hearing, it's relatively safe and very rewarding in many ways. Including money for education and training for a well paying job in the private sector.
I tell her this:
If you work at WALMART, you will meet a WALMART guy, and live a WALMART life. If you join the service, you'll meet a smart guy with a future, and lead a very exciting rewarding life.
The same applies to you. Go meet a smart gal with a future.
 
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