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I know of quite a few 35-40 year old Stihl chainsaws still doing the job. I don't know of any Echos of that era still working. Maybe I don't get out enough.
Stihl ms 362 vs Echo 620P
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I know of one. And I don’t get out enough either.
They are out there.
They are out there.
If you open up the muffler a little the saw will surprise you. And no a Dolmar 5105 is not going to be anywhere near a 590 or 620. When I started making timed cuts I realized how powerful perception is. The only thing the Stihl and Husky have over the Echo, is weight IMHO.
The 562 tends to be a little stronger than the 362.
The 562 tends to be a little stronger than the 362.
I don't think Echo will ever bring or hold the resale value of the European saws regardless of how well they are made or are perceived to be amongst consumers. While I think that the Echo line of products is an excellent value, I don't think that they are peers to Husky and Stihl when comparing their Pro-series lines.
The Echo in some ways superior to the Euro saws. I would put durability and build quality up there with anything. In fact if I were comparing the ms362, 562xp and the Echo cs590/cs600, I would say the Echo is the best saw of the bunch, epically when it comes to simplicity and serviceability. I have worked on and owned all three. I would like to know wow many who have posted their opinions in this thread can say that? I bet not too many.
Far as resale goes yes Stihls will bring more at resale time but cost $800 new and will bring $400 after a few years, a CS590 can be bought for $350 to $400 new and will bring $200 at trade time. Which one cost more to own. Steve
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I've always sold my saws for way more than 50% residual value.
Then there is the odd drive link count of the various bar lengths to contend with. Nothing is interchangable from O.E. bars. Now why would Echo do that? Still I need to abuse a CS620 wearing a 25" in hard oversized wood to see how one runs stock.
Then there is the odd drive link count of the various bar lengths to contend with. Nothing is interchangable from O.E. bars. Now why would Echo do that? Still I need to abuse a CS620 wearing a 25" in hard oversized wood to see how one runs stock.
Certainly if you sell one that isn't used much you can get more than 50%. Steve
That argument is like saying which truck will cost more to own, a stripped down, base work trim model or the top of line trim package with all of the bells and whistles, obviously the latter costs more. They both will get the job done, but one will be much more enjoyable to use and own. Beyond that you are comparing saws without auto-tune options, inferior anti-vibe systems, inferior air filters, and lower grade materials to saws with all of those options, it isn't exactly apples to apples here.
We can argue until we are blue in the face about this, but very few people will ever agree that Echo saws are equals to Husky and Stihl Pro saws. Get back to me when you see the majority of tree services, utility companies, professional arborists, wildland fire fighters, and first responders using Echo saws. I doubt either of us will still be on this forum when that day comes lol.
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I can't comment on the pro/ranch saws as i've never used the Echo's. But, i will say the Echo CS-2511 i just bought takes the MS 150T's lunch and is $150 cheaper.
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What on earth are you talking about? I find it comical how deeply blinded buy brand people get, I suppose it's just part of the human condition for most.
First what makes a pro saw a pro saw? To me it comes down to the saws construction, a vertically split magnesium crankcase for starters.
Let me ask you this, what low grade materials are you referring to? The Dupont PA6-GF 30 plastic Echo uses? Or the Dupont PA6-GF 30 plastic Stihl uses?[emoji23]
Ok how about the AV systems. Like the 40 year old rubber system on the 461 vs the modern spring srtup in the cs590/600?
Air filters? You mean the choke a Matic setup on the 461/661? Most guys have to use Max flow filter if they want to run the saw for more than a tank or two of fuel.
How about the piston and cylinder quality? I can tell you visibly the Echo cylinders have nicer castings, more uniform chamfers on all the ports. I can also tell you the tolerances are better too, I see a lot less runout.
But what do I know.
More than most for sure. A lot of the critics have never had a saw apart and most likely don't know how to run one right. Steve
Yup.. If it has the right name on it, it must be good.[emoji23]
Andy, I like how you point out one of the older saws in the Stihl lineup (461) to take a lick at, again apples to oranges here. I also like that your bias against the best saws in the business is blatantly obvious. At the end of the day I really couldn't care less about which saws you like or that you think myself and others here are blinded by labels, lol, that's a pretty strong/arrogant assumption. You take saws apart and fix them, good for you, you are still just one man with an opinion, a strong and biased one at that but hey, you're entitled to it. I'll let industries of professionals, saws decades old still in service, and my research and money do the talking for my purchases, you do you. Could Echo earn this same reputation 10+ years from now, certainly, and they are well on the road to doing so, but they aren't there yet.
I own multiple saws and multiple pieces equipment from just about every major brand. I have zero brand bias. The simple fact that I have praised Echo confirms that, based on the fact most of my equipment is Husqvarna, Stihl and Dolmar. My opinion is just that, an opinion. However it is based on experience, not just a whim.
The 461 came out in 12 or 13 can't remember exactly, and it's still a current model. The other modern Stihl's have pretty good AV setups, a little wobbly compared to other brands like Husqvarna, but otherwise fine.
Many of the crews around here are running more and more Echo equipment, and man their top handles are sweet.
Brand perception still has a strong influence obviously, but that is rapidly changing with the sharing of information that goes on today.
Rapidly changing?
That's a stretch.
Not up here, that's for sure. Honestly, I doubt I'll ever see an Echo in the bush. I have quite a few years left...
It has always been that amateurs are easily persuaded, for various reasons.
Pros won't take that chance in a big hurry...
Though Team Echo is working hard on it here..
I wouldn't have bought my CS590 Farm Saw if it wasn't for the web. I wouldn't even consider it if I was a slasher in the bush.
That's a stretch.
Not up here, that's for sure. Honestly, I doubt I'll ever see an Echo in the bush. I have quite a few years left...
It has always been that amateurs are easily persuaded, for various reasons.
Pros won't take that chance in a big hurry...
Though Team Echo is working hard on it here..
I wouldn't have bought my CS590 Farm Saw if it wasn't for the web. I wouldn't even consider it if I was a slasher in the bush.
The real amateurs are the one that buy Shihls lower level and think they are getting a a good quality powerfull saws when Stihl is just using their name to sell low quality, low powered junk ,also HARD to work on. For those that have actually had one of them apart you know how they are. Stihl pro saws probably still have some quality as they should with the outrageous price but Echo quality and power is right there with them. I run a portables sawmill and see way more Echo saws than a few years ago, plus how many times a customer used one and asked where to buy one. Steve
critics? most don't criticize the Echos. They applaud them as a well-built, decently performing homeowner to semi-pro saw. As competition to the same in Husky and Stihl. Probably the better choice in many cases.
Team Echo takes everything as criticism. And tries to flog the CS590 as a straight-up alternative to the Stihl MS362 and Husky 562xp for a pro. It is not. None of Echo's own advertising attempts that.
Why do you guys?
The CS590/620 platform is too bulky in the modern 60cc class. It feels like a 70cc platform, IMO. Even my 2011 MS362 handles better (I call it The Box) and is smoother, with nicer power; gruntier, quicker.
That is not a criticism, just an observation.
It is perhaps the best buy in a quality firewood/farm saw. No more, no less.
If it were 70cc, I'd buy another for the price...
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