:hmm3grin2orange: I know why buy the MS 650 well i am the kind of person that when i want something i want it now, And i wanted a new big saw and that is as big as my dealer had in that day, But what the hay it is not that much of a dog it still pulls good but i wanted it to pull harder so Dean has it right now and is doing his STAGE 2 package on it. How do you think it will run when i get it back? i cant wait but it makes it a little easier when their is a great web site like this to talk to ya all about it.:jawdrop: :jawdrop: