Good advice about thinning. Here in Oregon, trees grow like weeds. Very few people or outfits thin enough, in my opinion. I think that is why we have ongoing problems with Oregon Black Oak Disease. Someplaces are dripping with moss and missletoe. Southern Oregon is very wet in the winter and then very dry in the summer. Lots of stress on the trees during the summer. So what you say makes lots of sense. You can see the bigger trees "pitching them out" during the summer. It's the medium to smaller trees, with the thinner bark that mostly seem to die rather quickly. It's amazing how fast a tree, here will go from healthy to dead. Seems like just a couple of weeks for some. Thanks for the help.