super hack gets his C.A.
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Yes, my last name is Little.
Now that "silly little boy" thing has got to go. You're not from San Fransisco are you?
Yes, my last name is Little.
Now that "silly little boy" thing has got to go. You're not from San Fransisco are you?
You are a worthy rival! We should have a beer some time- You are a good sport tho- you take it well, not like some others.
Jeff
It's all due to my thick skin.
You see, I have spent so much of my life being so much better than everyone around me, I developed this huge sense of confidence and self worth. So big in fact, that it prevents me from worrying about the petty things in life, like what other folks think of me.
That is what I like about ArboristSite. So many kindred spirits...
My lack of social graces really annoys my wife, too, since she always wants me to conform more to the social order. I don't even try.
You see, I have spent so much of my life being so much better than everyone around me, I developed this huge sense of confidence and self worth. So big in fact, that it prevents me from worrying about the petty things in life, like what other folks think of me.
That is what I like about ArboristSite. So many kindred spirits...
My lack of social graces really annoys my wife, too, since she always wants me to conform more to the social order. I don't even try.
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ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
I am not yet certified mainly because of money issues and I am usually on here instead of cramming lol. I do see the value of the learning and have a good grasp of physiology and tree biology, I still need to learn fertilization and disease diagnosis and treatment better, as well as; the latin names of our trees. I won't take the test until I feel I will pass it. I really don't know if it will help my business here, as most of the customers could care less about whether you know a lenticel from an epicormic shoot. It will be for me not them. In other words it will make me feel I have learned the other parts of tree work not just pruning and removing. I think arborist is a state of mind more than knowing all the answers to a test. I am sometimes asked a question by a customer and I have the material to look it up. I bought a grand worth of material to study and for reference for questions that may come up. I will take that test someday
Nailsbeats
Addicted to ArboristSite
I am not yet certified mainly because of money issues and I am usually on here instead of cramming lol. I do see the value of the learning and have a good grasp of physiology and tree biology, I still need to learn fertilization and disease diagnosis and treatment better, as well as; the latin names of our trees. I won't take the test until I feel I will pass it. I really don't know if it will help my business here, as most of the customers could care less about whether you know a lenticel from an epicormic shoot. It will be for me not them. In other words it will make me feel I have learned the other parts of tree work not just pruning and removing. I think arborist is a state of mind more than knowing all the answers to a test. I am sometimes asked a question by a customer and I have the material to look it up. I bought a grand worth of material to study and for reference for questions that may come up. I will take that test someday
Holy smokes Rope, a grand worth of material? You're in too deep now not to take the test. Good for you.
treeclimber101
UNCLE BUCK
Sounds like the OP might be a little bitter , and frankly if you do good work and respect your customers you'll forget all about the idiot down the block sounds like he's already half down the track to failure.. Repeat customers and referrals are the only true measure of sucess and number on a truck or a license only gets so far , there are many truely talented men and women out there with little or no formal education running respectable businesses ..
And when you have a hands-on CA and a book CA in front of you....you know which is smarter and will get things done right.
This a somewhat silly argument. It's not as though the tree workers of this world can be divided into just two distinct groups. Any two groups you define will be composed of widely different sub-types. Why bother with making the distinction in the first part.
Granted, the school boys may not have as much experience, but they are working at it every day, they will learn the experience part faster than some old salt like Rope can pick up and learn the bookish side of things.
Experienced arborists seeking a certification will have a tougher time with the arcane concepts, the math that some of the procedures require, and memorizing all the trivia that they think isn't important.
I didn't hear anybody mention the fella's that are never going to learn either the experience or book side of arboriculture.
So who do you call when you have a problem that involves more than "just cut 'er down"? SEVERAL arborists! Get recommendations, and if they all come together on the same idea, you probably have got a reliable answer.
Even "super hacks" give good recommendations, sometimes.
Granted, the school boys may not have as much experience, but they are working at it every day, they will learn the experience part faster than some old salt like Rope can pick up and learn the bookish side of things.
Experienced arborists seeking a certification will have a tougher time with the arcane concepts, the math that some of the procedures require, and memorizing all the trivia that they think isn't important.
I didn't hear anybody mention the fella's that are never going to learn either the experience or book side of arboriculture.
So who do you call when you have a problem that involves more than "just cut 'er down"? SEVERAL arborists! Get recommendations, and if they all come together on the same idea, you probably have got a reliable answer.
Even "super hacks" give good recommendations, sometimes.
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
Ummmmmmmm are you callin rope a super hack?
Ole salt super hack lmfao, oh well, I won't hold it against you. I really have more of a time management issue than trouble grasping the education of arboriculture, as I have said; I have a very good grasp of much of it already. I think sometimes I am too hard on myself because, it seems I expect to know it, not just pass the test. I was the same on my cdl and was the first to not miss a single question but I have since forgotten some things. If you don't use it you lose it is my motto. If I had more time, I would likely just go for a horticulture degree and forget the certs but alas ole rope the ole salt super hack is busy:hmm3grin2orange:
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Don't get thin skinned on me yet rope. The "super hack" I was referring to was from the title of this thread. Hah!
On the other hand, I was definitely thinking of you when I referred to an "old salt". I think of this as a term of respect borrowed from the nautical past when an experienced sailor was called just that.
Wikipedia puts a different spin on the term. Rope, you may be irritated to find that I just called you a big storyteller! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_salt
etymology: there may also be a connection to the expression "worth his salt", which goes back to the days when Roman soldiers were paid in salt.
http://www.bitesizecanada.org/cause_32.htm
On the other hand, I was definitely thinking of you when I referred to an "old salt". I think of this as a term of respect borrowed from the nautical past when an experienced sailor was called just that.
Wikipedia puts a different spin on the term. Rope, you may be irritated to find that I just called you a big storyteller! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_salt
etymology: there may also be a connection to the expression "worth his salt", which goes back to the days when Roman soldiers were paid in salt.
http://www.bitesizecanada.org/cause_32.htm
Legit_Arborist
ArboristSite Lurker
Jeff
Does the guy know anything about trees though? I know a bunch of guys who are young and have C.A.'s but don't know a thing about trees. THey think tree ID makes them an arborist or identifying dead trees as hazards makes them an expert.
John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
This has always been my biggest bone with the CA program, I remember when they gave one to a 12 year old just because he passed the exam. What about the time-in or two year degree requirement? The program has no teeth because people have threatened to sue if the ethics clauses are enforced....All the ISA can do is go after people who use the log's w/o paying
I do love the ISA, I just think the CA program does not do what it is intended to. Oh, and they do not market it at all....
so untrue; huge push of CA in lots of ways. look at their website, press releases, PSA's, pubs, programs...
ropensaddle
Feel Lucky
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John Paul Sanborn
Above average climber
so untrue; huge push of CA in lots of ways. look at their website, press releases, PSA's, pubs, programs...
Website? How many websites are there? If people do not know what a CA is why would they look for the ISA?
Press releases are so weak, if the media does not know who you are they ignore you. I've not seen any PSA's in my market, or on cable. Well excpet for sponsoring a few pbs shows along with Annenberg, and a sluegh of other esoteric not-for-profits.
Preaching to the choir, many of the pubs are useful for you and me to hand to clients and prospective clients.
I think they could do so much more with the little that they have.
mckeetree
Addicted to ArboristSite
They market it a lot more than TCIA does their accreditation program. Nobody but nobody outside of the business knows what that is and for what it's worth maybe that's a good thing. I am dropping out of TCIA this year after all these years of being a member. High dues and they are geared anymore towards companies that do power line clearance.
