Sure is quiet in here....do I need to start a fight?

[tbone75]

Very neat benches !! Could sure use something like that here round the fire pit . But I aint in no shape to even try that ! LOL

 

[Cantdog]

USPS just keeps going down hill , wish them others were closer fer me to use !

Generally they get stuff here before the delivery date......just not this time..LOL.....not a biggie.....I'm not what one would call "saw poor".....

 

[bikemike]

a couple more coats of urethane and il toss in the hat

 

[pioneerguy600]

Running about today and picked up a new saw. This one for work, Milwaukee 12" compound slider for an upcoming trim job. I liked the De Walt gravity rise rolling saw stand better than the non rolling Milwaukee one so the Red saw ended up sitting on a yellow stand.

 

[Cantdog]

Running about today and picked up a new saw. This one for work, Milwaukee 12" compound slider for an upcoming trim job. I liked the De Walt gravity rise rolling saw stand better than the non rolling Milwaukee one so the Red saw ended up sitting on a yellow stand.

Sounds like good combination Jerry...good luck with it. I've always found on the 12" compound saws the thin kerf blades had a lot of flex in the body causing deflection while in the cut. I have two 10" Hitachi double compound sliders which work good but even the 1o" thin kerf blades were less than satisfactory.....so when it really counts I've gone to a Forest Chopmaster full body blade specifically designed for compound saws......this does an excellent job...at $135 'Merican for a 10" saw blade it should!!!
If you run into any problems with deflection they make a 12" version with either a 1" or 5/8" arbor hole for 6-7 $ more......80 tooth...o.115" kerf....Amana makes a really good one too.......though it's near $200 'Merican.........sounds like a lot but a stellar blade can make the saw...

 

[pioneerguy600]

Sounds like good combination Jerry...good luck with it. I've always found on the 12" compound saws the thin kerf blades had a lot of flex in the body causing deflection while in the cut. I have two 10" Hitachi double compound sliders which work good but even the 1o" thin kerf blades were less than satisfactory.....so when it really counts I've gone to a Forest Chopmaster full body blade specifically designed for compound saws......this does an excellent job...at $135 'Merican for a 10" saw blade it should!!!
If you run into any problems with deflection they make a 12" version with either a 1" or 5/8" arbor hole for 6-7 $ more......80 tooth...o.115" kerf....Amana makes a really good one too.......though it's near $200 'Merican.........sounds like a lot but a stellar blade can make the saw...

Yes, I may be looking for a real blade for it, not sure if they make a real good Freud any more so may have to go looking for another make. I will look into finding the Amana up here also. What is a $200. dollar blade considering the saw and stand costs 6 times as much.
I have some good Freud blades on my 10" slide compound Makita, nice stiff body on those old blades, not thin kerf.

 

[Cantdog]

Freud makes a good blade too......though I think they have reduced quality over the years to reach a broader market (like most everything good) I have an LU-85, 80 tooth X 10" fine finish blade that I bought in 1985.......$130.00 then.....best blade I ever had...long carbide teeth perfect angles for completely flat cuts within 0.001-2" in 2 X 3" hardwood handrails.....loved it. When it came time to send it out for sharpening I (1992ish) I bought the exact same blade to as a replacement while the original was out....fair replacement but did not cut anywhere as good...visible difference in the size and length of the carbide bit.....the originl has been sharpened three times since and the carbide is still longer than the second saw which has never been sharpened. I still have quite a few Freud blades in the shop.....but have moved to Forest for about everything. Very good quality, not over the top pricewise, extreamly good inhouse resharpening with quick turnaround.......resharpened saws cut just like new and a very smooth repeatable cut right out of the box. Send my Freuds to them to sharpen as well For general work on the compound saws I generally run the more affordable red thin kerf Freud blades. Amana is great.....Systi-matic too.....you reach a certain level of spending and they are all pretty good!!

 

[tbone75]

All I got is a really cheap pawn shop miter saw . LOL Some off brand non slider . Haven't used it much , but I don't need one much like you guys ! It sure cuts like a cheap one too ! Can be a real pain trying to get a nice cut ! But fer 60.00 with a cheap little rolling table that came with it , good nuff fer a Slug . LOL Would likely use it more if it cut fer **** . LOL

 

[tbone75]

You guys can't afford not to have the best possible tools ! They make you look better , and make you more money ! Your work is right out in front of every ones face , has to be perfect !
I get mad every time I do anything to that garage , never seen such chitty work ! Nothing even close to square !! Them guys that built it should be fired and never allowed to build a dam thing again !! Sure wish I had been round here when they was building it ! I wouldn't pay them a dime till they did it right !

 

[Cantdog]

That's true John.....good tools are the only way to go when working with your hands.....

Jerry......what size arbor does the Milwaukee have......FS Tool makes real good blades too....got a stack of 7 with the Wadkin........ FS XL4000.... top of the line blades.....they make a series of mitersaw blades but with only 1" bore it seems......the bottom one is an XL4000....if their mitersaw blades are anything like the 14" Panel saw blades you won't be disappointed!!!

http://www.sawbladesxp.com/toolsxp/pc/12-Dia-x-1-Bore-c22120.htm

 

[pioneerguy600]

That's true John.....good tools are the only way to go when working with your hands.....

Jerry......what size arbor does the Milwaukee have......FS Tool makes real good blades too....got a stack of 7 with the Wadkin........ FS XL4000.... top of the line blades.....they make a series of mitersaw blades but with only 1" bore it seems......the bottom one is an XL4000....if their mitersaw blades are anything like the 14" Panel saw blades you won't be disappointed!!!

http://www.sawbladesxp.com/toolsxp/pc/12-Dia-x-1-Bore-c22120.htm

I havn`t pulled the blade off yet but I believe all the 12" blades are 1" arbor. I used the saw today for the first time after setting it up to cut square in both directions, it was off a few thou on the table but the vertical was near on, dialed it in and then started cutting MDF crown, the blade that came with it is fine for cutting that soft MDF but likely will need a stiffer blade for hardwood. I won`t be using this saw for stairbuilding as the 10 Makita LS10-13 is all I need for that work, been using it for so long its like a nicely worn in pair of workboots, just feels right.. Got a few old Freud blades from back in the 70-80`s with the big carbide teeth, stiff thick steel body, no deflection in the cut there. Those set me back over $150. each way back then, only been sharpened once each but never use them on MDF , mostly hardwood stair tread and birch plywood risers n skirt boards. I counted 47 different 10" carbide blades stacked up that needs to be resharpened, usually just buy another rather than get them resharpened, all places around here that supposedly regrind them do a poor job.

 

[pioneerguy600]

I see my good buds at Rideout Tool and Machine handle the FS blades, I will duck in and see Mike, see what he has or can get me.
Busy Bee Tools also handle them so if Rideout don`t pan out I will check with them.

 

[pioneerguy600]

You guys can't afford not to have the best possible tools ! They make you look better , and make you more money ! Your work is right out in front of every ones face , has to be perfect !
I get mad every time I do anything to that garage , never seen such chitty work ! Nothing even close to square !! Them guys that built it should be fired and never allowed to build a dam thing again !! Sure wish I had been round here when they was building it ! I wouldn't pay them a dime till they did it right !

That is very true, the work I do is right out front and is scrutinized by very demanding clients. I be darned today, the big boss showed up with a well heeled prospective client, after introductions the new face asks a few questions about the crown I was installing, walks slowly along the wall looking at the overlap joints and corner joints in the crown. Turns to the big boss and just says, I want him to do all the trim in my house!! Big boss smiles and says, he does all our trim, you get us to build you a home and they are all trimmed by that guy. Then adds, let me take you and show you a real trim job. I knew he was headed up to the show home!

 

[Cantdog]

I havn`t pulled the blade off yet but I believe all the 12" blades are 1" arbor. I used the saw today for the first time after setting it up to cut square in both directions, it was off a few thou on the table but the vertical was near on, dialed it in and then started cutting MDF crown, the blade that came with it is fine for cutting that soft MDF but likely will need a stiffer blade for hardwood. I won`t be using this saw for stairbuilding as the 10 Makita LS10-13 is all I need for that work, been using it for so long its like a nicely worn in pair of workboots, just feels right.. Got a few old Freud blades from back in the 70-80`s with the big carbide teeth, stiff thick steel body, no deflection in the cut there. Those set me back over $150. each way back then, only been sharpened once each but never use them on MDF , mostly hardwood stair tread and birch plywood risers n skirt boards. I counted 47 different 10" carbide blades stacked up that needs to be resharpened, usually just buy another rather than get them resharpened, all places around here that supposedly regrind them do a poor job.

Same here....we used to have a great saw shop....he did every thing well......great on a handsaw too.....gone....passed away. No place around now that do anything worth a ****... That's why I send my good blades to Forest or Conn. Saw & Tool......they also grind all my custom knives for the moulder for matching existing mouldings......I got quite a pile dull saw blades too......most are not worth sending out.....just buy another......but any saw plate I spend over $100 for gets resharpened by the pros....

 

[pioneerguy600]

We have several recycling outfits that stock some blades at the building supply outlets, I pick up one or two for each job and surprisingly they cut pretty good, cost about $40 for each one with a trade in of one of their dulled blades. First time costs about $85, take and use it until dulled then turn it in and pay about half price of original to get a new sharp one. I like the Razor Tooth ones quite well.

 

[Cantdog]

We have several recycling outfits that stock some blades at the building supply outlets, I pick up one or two for each job and surprisingly they cut pretty good, cost about $40 for each one with a trade in of one of their dulled blades. First time costs about $85, take and use it until dulled then turn it in and pay about half price of original to get a new sharp one. I like the Razor Tooth ones quite well.

I like that concept....wish someone around here did that for more run of the mill blades. The last guy to do sharpening was gung-ho....would come to the shop every Wed to pickup/drop off blades.....another good concept.....first I gave him a stack of skilsaw blades to see what he could do.....the next Wed he showed up with them. They cut OK...better than before. So I gave him a stack of 8 1/4 and semi disposable 10" job saw blades.....again, he showed up the following Wed and again they were passable but they weren't great blades to start with so I gave him an old Freud glue line rip blade that was way passed due to see what he could do with a good saw plate designed for a specific purpose.....when new (if your saw was tuned good enough) it would rip a perfect glue line...as good or better than jointed....it came back the following Wed. but cut like a general purpose contractors blade......he had paid no attention to the original hook and pitch angles.....I didn't say anything because I now knew that he didn't know.....pointless to scold a slow child.....but I didn't have anymore blade to sharpen....boy that pizzed him off...he went over to the shelves where I keep all my blades and started saying that there were more dull blades there that he could do.....I said no.....I'm good for now.....thought he was going to take the blade right off the table saw he was so adamant....pitched quite a tantrum....said I was holding out on him...LOL.....I said "I'll call you when I've got stuff you can sharpen"....He was mad....like a junky that lost his "connection"...he stormed out of the shop, jumped in his truck and promptly backed out over the bank at the shop and got stuck...it was winter....Mikey and I had been working in the shop and weren't rigged up for outdoors..and we were laffing at the sound of him smoking the tires right off his old half ton two wheel drive.....he was at it quite awhile...we finally put on our straight faces and went out.....he quit spinning and rolled his window down and Mikey says with a dead pan face "Gee....you really shouldn't backed in there" Oh man that was the last straw...he rolled the window up and layed into that poor old tuck anew.....really putting the miles on the rear wheels......couldn't hear what he was hollering in the cab but his mouth was going...'bout the same speed as the rear wheels........haven't seen him since......no humor...him.

 

[pioneerguy600]

I like that concept....wish someone around here did that for more run of the mill blades. The last guy to do sharpening was gung-ho....would come to the shop every Wed to pickup/drop off blades.....another good concept.....first I gave him a stack of skilsaw blades to see what he could do.....the next Wed he showed up with them. They cut OK...better than before. So I gave him a stack of 8 1/4 and semi disposable 10" job saw blades.....again, he showed up the following Wed and again they were passable but they weren't great blades to start with so I gave him an old Freud glue line rip blade that was way passed due to see what he could do with a good saw plate designed for a specific purpose.....when new (if your saw was tuned good enough) it would rip a perfect glue line...as good or better than jointed....it came back the following Wed. but cut like a general purpose contractors blade......he had paid no attention to the original hook and pitch angles.....I didn't say anything because I now knew that he didn't know.....pointless to scold a slow child.....but I didn't have anymore blade to sharpen....boy that pizzed him off...he went over to the shelves where I keep all my blades and started saying that there were more dull blades there that he could do.....I said no.....I'm good for now.....thought he was going to take the blade right off the table saw he was so adamant....pitched quite a tantrum....said I was holding out on him...LOL.....I said "I'll call you when I've got stuff you can sharpen"....He was mad....like a junky that lost his "connection"...he stormed out of the shop, jumped in his truck and promptly backed out over the bank at the shop and got stuck...it was winter....Mikey and I had been working in the shop and weren't rigged up for outdoors..and we were laffing at the sound of him smoking the tires right off his old half ton two wheel drive.....he was at it quite awhile...we finally put on our straight faces and went out.....he quit spinning and rolled his window down and Mikey says with a dead pan face "Gee....you really shouldn't backed in there" Oh man that was the last straw...he rolled the window up and layed into that poor old tuck anew.....really putting the miles on the rear wheels......couldn't hear what he was hollering in the cab but his mouth was going...'bout the same speed as the rear wheels........haven't seen him since......no humor...him.

Gung ho eh, yep met far too many of them over anxious over the top types. Going to take over the whole world them. Most gone on to other stuffs now but one still left I know of, lives not far from Dan actually. Man o man does that guy do a lot of work, almost as much re work of his mistakes as he works like the Tasmanian Devil but goes in reverse almost as much as ahead. His work looks it also, very poor craftsmanship and no forethought put into anything he does. Just bang er together and modify/fix it later. His best trait is he can BS and promote himself so well, gets jobs galore, but seldom gets a repeat job. I see his work often, too often with irate customers trying to get a effed up mess fixed to look presentable or to be even useful.....LOL

 

[Cantdog]

Gung ho eh, yep met far too many of them over anxious over the top types. Going to take over the whole world them. Most gone on to other stuffs now but one still left I know of, lives not far from Dan actually. Man o man does that guy do a lot of work, almost as much re work of his mistakes as he works like the Tasmanian Devil but goes in reverse almost as much as ahead. His work looks it also, very poor craftsmanship and no forethought put into anything he does. Just bang er together and modify/fix it later. His best trait is he can BS and promote himself so well, gets jobs galore, but seldom gets a repeat job. I see his work often, too often with irate customers trying to get a effed up mess fixed to look presentable or to be even useful.....LOL

Yep nothing I hate worse than fixing someone else's mess.......always time to do it twice but never time to do it right once!!!!!

 

[tbone75]

Yep nothing I hate worse than fixing someone else's mess.......always time to do it twice but never time to do it right once!!!!!

Really gets me mad when I gotta fix anything I did already ! LOL Try my best , but every now and then I get pinched . Seems to be stuff I am stihl kinda new at . LOL Sure makes me think twice as hard , whole time cursing myself . LOL Just 3 times as mad at fixing others crap ! Where I worked I got to do it every damn day ! Talk bout getting old in a hurry ! Took me a few weeks to go raise hell with the boss . He got an ear full ! But it fixed the problem finally .
What it was , the antique welders we had to use . 2 torches one pointing up and one down to just fuse the steel together . Hold it in place with magnetic clamps , then but them together to make the weld . Anything from .012 to .030 thick flat sheet . Some how I got the job of setting them up , real PITA if ya didn't know WTF yer doing . LOL After new guys got on that job it would take 3 to 6 months before they thought they could set them up . OMG did they make messes out of them dang old things ! Problem was it was so easy to start playing with them torches . They were given a piece of paper telling them how to do it . LOL Bosses really thought that was all that was needed . LOL You guys know old **** can't be ran by what a piece of paper says , its a starting point . The rest you learn on the job , maybe ?? Some just never did ! Old as them things were , could stihl get them to run 100 inches a min. Very thin steel was the real beach ! LOL Not allowed to have holes in the welds . LOL But that paper told them to burn holes in it then back it off a little ?? LOL If forgot to mention once set up , cut that one out and do it right ? Stupid bosses had no idea about that either it seemed ? So all they did was burn holes through it , then speed it up a little . Nothing about adjusting the torches so it would weld and not burn through , or not getting it hot enough that it didn't weld . Then the other problem of getting the top torch to look like it was working only to have the bottom one not . LOL Sounds kinda funny it could do that , but it did very well . LOL After so many welds break inside that 500' long furnace , bosses got there azz chewed real good ! LOL But **** rolls down hill , so . LOL It just got to the point the others were told to leave the welders the F alone . Only I was to set them up . LOL That worked just fine , till I missed a day , or 6 months with back surgery ! LMAO !! I was told I was getting cursed badly every day I was off ! LMAO !! They even called maintenance people to try and set them welders up !! All they said , you got the paper on it ! LMAO !!
They paid some idgit to come into that plant and write up how every job was done ? They really thought that was all it took to do any job in that plant !! That was a couple years before I even got moved up to that job . LOL Never found out what they paid the place that guy worked for ? I can sure guess it was a very large bill ! LOL Someone that has no clues what he was even looking at wrote up how to do each job in my dept. We laughed for a good year on that one ! LMAO Stihl !!
That last time I was off , the others on that job were told they better learn NOW ! LOL Really expected a phone call from them idiots ! Sure wish they would have cause I was ready !! Bet they knew what I would say is why they didn't . LOL I never had any problem telling them the truth , can't get in trouble for telling the truth ! LOL I was well know for that too in there . LOL Also think that is the reason I could never get along with just one boss . Proved him wrong several times , but he was never wrong !!

My fingers are cramped !! LOL

 

[Cantdog]

That all sounds just about right John.......managers have the misconception that they know the hands on stuff on how the job works...some do if they worked their up through the company or trade...most by far don't....ego is what got them the job but it is their worst enemy when trying to manage something they never learned. I've met very few "higher ups" that would listen to what they were told by a mere worker drone. Used really pizz me off when I was younger.....now I say my piece and if it doesn't sink in I try again......if that don't make a splash.....I been known to set a trap......and once sprung I have plausible deniability....."Dunno Bozz....thought you knew what you was doing......Hate to be an "I told ya so"...butt....I did....'membaaah???" Failure and embarrassment are the best teachers.....right up there with pain....ego hates to learn....especially if the lesson is coming from an "underling".....when I manage men and we're on a project I'm willing to listen to anyone/everyone..... ask for opinions/thoughts. I may discount opinions along the way but I don't know how many times a bottom rung helper has seen a better way to an end than I/we had envisioned. You can be in charge but if you want to keep learning, leave your ego at the door.....the biggest reason I do the work I do is to keep learning.....that's what makes the work enjoyable to me.