Pretty sure I'm done with this line of discussion. I don't see much headway being made.
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Wow! I was over on the other side observing The Larch. Guess my forestry experience and education was for naught!
I see we have another Forestry Expert telling us that we are bad, and that our methods are wrong. Jamoco, if you were truly concerned about the environment, wouldn't you be living somewhere else? Somewhere that does not rely on diverted, scarce water? Where air conditioning wasn't needed? Where you didn't have to drive anywhere? Do you take public transportation to your jobs?
Many of us have years of experience in the realm of forestry. We've planted a hell of a lot of trees, seen them thinned, protected them from fires, and some have seen those trees cut down and sent to a mill, which is one big reason they were planted in the first place.
I'll have to look at your redwood thing later. But it boils down to what will generate the most profits, with the least amount of financial risk. Would you be willing to sock everything you have into your contraption? Risk going bankrupt? Put your money where your mouth is? That's what it all boils down to. You can lecture all you want to, but I cannot stand a hypocrite. Shut up and get to work drilling holes in redwoods.
And I'm the evil liberal.
I see we have another Forestry Expert telling us that we are bad, and that our methods are wrong. Jamoco, if you were truly concerned about the environment, wouldn't you be living somewhere else? Somewhere that does not rely on diverted, scarce water? Where air conditioning wasn't needed? Where you didn't have to drive anywhere? Do you take public transportation to your jobs?
Many of us have years of experience in the realm of forestry. We've planted a hell of a lot of trees, seen them thinned, protected them from fires, and some have seen those trees cut down and sent to a mill, which is one big reason they were planted in the first place.
I'll have to look at your redwood thing later. But it boils down to what will generate the most profits, with the least amount of financial risk. Would you be willing to sock everything you have into your contraption? Risk going bankrupt? Put your money where your mouth is? That's what it all boils down to. You can lecture all you want to, but I cannot stand a hypocrite. Shut up and get to work drilling holes in redwoods.
And I'm the evil liberal.
I'd really rather that he didn't drill any holes in my Redwoods. I might be tempted to drill a few holes in him, attach some rigging, hook up some telemetry, hoist him aloft, and see how much he sways in the wind. Might leave him up there for a week or two, purely in the interest of research and knowledge.
I doubt if it would work out too well from a scientific point of view but I like to see everything put to it's best and most useful purpose.
I doubt if it would work out too well from a scientific point of view but I like to see everything put to it's best and most useful purpose.
jomoco
Tree Freak
Hippocratic oath.
First, do no harm.
At least I'm not guilty of conflating the term butcher with tree surgeon.
jomoco
First, do no harm.
At least I'm not guilty of conflating the term butcher with tree surgeon.
jomoco
I think you are on the wrong forum to begin with. This is Forestry and Logging, not Arborist 101. Why aren't you posting with those pros? They are in your line of work aren't they?
Now, do you practice what you preach? You've not answered whether you take public transportation to work, or any sacrifices made for the sake of the environment.
jomoco
Tree Freak
You guys bust me up but good!
All you're fixated on like a laser, are the words clean renewable energy, and not cutting down tall conifers.
These two things are somehow evil liberal notions. Sound the bugles, circle the wagons, the evil liberals are attacking.
I find it very telling that not one of you so called experts have asked even one truly intelligent question.
Like what's the mass of a tall 300 foot Doug fir? How much pull on a dynamometer will it exert in 10mph breeze, 20, 30 etc.
Is it worthwhile to determine its true clean power generation potential?
No, just whinin, hang him in a tree for his blasphemy!
It's funny, sad, and ridiculously childish, all rolled into one.
What's that dynamometer reading gonna be guys?
Enough BS.
jomoco
All you're fixated on like a laser, are the words clean renewable energy, and not cutting down tall conifers.
These two things are somehow evil liberal notions. Sound the bugles, circle the wagons, the evil liberals are attacking.
I find it very telling that not one of you so called experts have asked even one truly intelligent question.
Like what's the mass of a tall 300 foot Doug fir? How much pull on a dynamometer will it exert in 10mph breeze, 20, 30 etc.
Is it worthwhile to determine its true clean power generation potential?
No, just whinin, hang him in a tree for his blasphemy!
It's funny, sad, and ridiculously childish, all rolled into one.
What's that dynamometer reading gonna be guys?
Enough BS.
jomoco
paccity
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b.s. .. then quit typing . go do your rigging and get back too us.
twochains
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Just curious as to what Jomoco's other 7,047 post were about.
How do you post pics on here now? I have a pic that Joco might like to give an opinion on.
How do you post pics on here now? I have a pic that Joco might like to give an opinion on.
jomoco
Tree Freak
jomoco
Tree Freak
People and trees have a lot in common.
Both have the tenacious will to remain holding on for life..
They have a live and let live nobility that we are sorely lacking...
jomoco
Both have the tenacious will to remain holding on for life..
They have a live and let live nobility that we are sorely lacking...
jomoco
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
As I said a number of pages ago, I appreciate your inventiveness. I certainly don't appreciate your attitude. So if nobody drools all over your idea, you want to take your ball and go home? And we're a bunch of Neanderthals because we don't pine over you and your invention?
Wind farms have been around for years, and struggle to break even. Alternative energy is extremely difficult to make profitable. Without profit, nothing runs, nothing ever happens, no infrastructure is built. Money makes the world go around, it's capitalism. I guess in a purely communistic or socialistic society, everything would be done for free and it would be a utopia of long haired hippies tiptoeing through the flowers. But that's fantasy, and I am anchored in reality.
Your idea may very well be great! But why try and prove it here? If you really want to make a go of it, bring it to an energy company. If they see that it's a winner, they'll try to buy it from you -- or steal it from you! So go talk to General Electric, and quit being a dick to us about your tree swaying brilliance.
Wind farms have been around for years, and struggle to break even. Alternative energy is extremely difficult to make profitable. Without profit, nothing runs, nothing ever happens, no infrastructure is built. Money makes the world go around, it's capitalism. I guess in a purely communistic or socialistic society, everything would be done for free and it would be a utopia of long haired hippies tiptoeing through the flowers. But that's fantasy, and I am anchored in reality.
Your idea may very well be great! But why try and prove it here? If you really want to make a go of it, bring it to an energy company. If they see that it's a winner, they'll try to buy it from you -- or steal it from you! So go talk to General Electric, and quit being a dick to us about your tree swaying brilliance.
jomoco
Tree Freak
Forests have far more value to us than just lumber harvested mates.
I'm just trying to both keep tall conifers alive n swayin, and increase the number of jobs in tree related fields.
You guys are just going to have to learn how to pocket pay checks for work that's not invariably lethal to tall trees!
jomoco
I'm just trying to both keep tall conifers alive n swayin, and increase the number of jobs in tree related fields.
You guys are just going to have to learn how to pocket pay checks for work that's not invariably lethal to tall trees!
jomoco
Golly gee. I guess forestry is not related to trees. They didn't learn us that. Learn me more. What is a tree related field? Does one prune a lil' ol tree singin' one tree at a time, sweet (insert your diety here)?
Must not be enough tree related field work in SoCal right now.
Edumacate yourself or continue to be ridiculed...."mate".
I believe I'd best put you on ignore, because you are ignorant. Bye please.
jomoco
Tree Freak
What's your beef with a net gain in forest jobs?
jomoco
jomoco
More larch. I was thinking firewood. I coulda towed it behind the kayak.
We saw no moose, but they do wander around sometimes in this part of the country.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
I love Larch! 
I love Larch!
I liked your like. We burned a chunk in our rainy campfire. We pretty much had that lake to ourselves. It's in the hard to get to from the city part of the state.
It was too early for the larch to be yellow.
Metals406
Granfodder Runningsaw
The Larch here are just now starting to turn. Kind'a want to skip winter this year. *sigh*
With the last snow June 17th, seems like we got jipped on summer.
treeslayer2003
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hello ms. P, youve not been around in a few days.
Clint i can't seem to post pics any more either.........and you and Colton need profile pics so my blind azz can see yas better lol.
Clint i can't seem to post pics any more either.........and you and Colton need profile pics so my blind azz can see yas better lol.
