The "Not So Pro" discussion thread...of course Pros are welcome!

Arborist Forum

Help Support Arborist Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
so Randy, did ya ever run the more modern saws? say early 80s, 5200, 181, 056. or did ya get out of it by then? jus wondered what ya think of some of the newer stuff.


well I knew these sizes maybe 090

The last new saw was a PM850, before that an SP125C. I did own and/or use a few stihls, I found them to be lackluster, fragile, expensive to operate and heavy for the power generated. The 090 was particularly disappointing as a chainsaw, better suited as a stationary powerplant for pumping water.
 
Where is everybody? It's only 1:30 am... LOL!

Hey Glen. Yep, felt better and had a very productive day and hope to have an excellent Friday.

Hope all is well with everyone and everybody had a good 4th of July. Will see you fellas this evening when I get home! :msp_thumbup:




ps... Randy was awful talkative last night.... hmmm, maybe cause I wasn't around :msp_rolleyes: :hmm3grin2orange:
 
Picked up a new to me crummy yesterday... 85 ferd diesel 4x4 turbo, with winch, and... its a manual... I've been driving the ole 2 wheel drive makes a muddy landing all the more fun...


not a very fun 4th here, all the cool neighbors with cannons left town, I was the only one home with a cannon, kinda lame really cause I couldn't find any powder for it this year and only have about 1/4 pound left for it.

I did get to fall some nice ceder for a friend of mine... just dump em no limbing or nothing. Its great to swing by a guys house destroy his yard and fence line and leave with everyone smilling:msp_biggrin:

Also got a his ancient 03? magnum II running so maybe he can finish his little logging job with something besides a ms 260 with a 28" bar on it...:msp_biggrin:
 
How's y'all enjoying the holiday then???
Not
Where is everybody? It's only 1:30 am... LOL!

Hey Glen. Yep, felt better and had a very productive day and hope to have an excellent Friday.

Hope all is well with everyone and everybody had a good 4th of July. Will see you fellas this evening when I get home! :msp_thumbup:




ps... Randy was awful talkative last night.... hmmm, maybe cause I wasn't around :msp_rolleyes: :hmm3grin2orange:
Im with you on this TC. I wasnt around either lol. I tend to either annoy or piss people off lol.
 
The last new saw was a PM850, before that an SP125C. I did own and/or use a few stihls, I found them to be lackluster, fragile, expensive to operate and heavy for the power generated. The 090 was particularly disappointing as a chainsaw, better suited as a stationary powerplant for pumping water.

C'mon now, the 090 was a great saw for bucking big timber. I mean big, like several feet dbh. You could put a good run in the log, jam the trigger down with a custom whittled stick, hold the saw with one hand and have time for a sandwich, a cup of coffee, and three chapters in the latest Travis McGee novel before you got half way through the log. :msp_biggrin:

Very few guys ever got hurt running an 090 although rumor has it that a couple did die of boredom.
 
well Bob i'll post the same question to you. what do you think of the newer saws? reguardless of brand, don't ya think the older ones had more guts? I started in the eightys so I compare to that.
 
Picked up a new to me crummy yesterday... 85 ferd diesel 4x4 turbo, with winch, and... its a manual... I've been driving the ole 2 wheel drive makes a muddy landing all the more fun...


not a very fun 4th here, all the cool neighbors with cannons left town, I was the only one home with a cannon, kinda lame really cause I couldn't find any powder for it this year and only have about 1/4 pound left for it.

I did get to fall some nice ceder for a friend of mine... just dump em no limbing or nothing. Its great to swing by a guys house destroy his yard and fence line and leave with everyone smilling:msp_biggrin:

Also got a his ancient 03? magnum II running so maybe he can finish his little logging job with something besides a ms 260 with a 28" bar on it...:msp_biggrin:

03 is ancient? what? :msp_scared::rolleyes2:
 
well Bob i'll post the same question to you. what do you think of the newer saws? reguardless of brand, don't ya think the older ones had more guts? I started in the eightys so I compare to that.

the older saws I worked with were great. they also ran on leaded gas. todays saws are good too for having to run the sh:censored: fuel that's out there:bang:
 
well Bob i'll post the same question to you. what do you think of the newer saws? reguardless of brand, don't ya think the older ones had more guts? I started in the eightys so I compare to that.

I don't know...I have mixed feelings on that. I started in the early sixties and the first saw they gave me was a handlebar Mac...I don't remember the model number but I know that I didn't weigh a lot more than it did. After that I ran mostly 125s . I was working with my uncle and he was a Mac man. We were cutting old growth Redwood in those days and those saws, being torque monsters, were good for that kind of work. A lot of times we'd work a whole day on one tree so a faster saw wouldn't have made a big difference. The old saws were heavy and they were slow...but we didn't really know that because that was normal for those days. The saw spent most of it's time in the wood, you really didn't have to horse it around much compared to the way things are done today.

The newer saws fit better with the type of timber we're cutting today. The trees are smaller as a rule and the saws, out of necessity, are lighter and faster. You spend more time with the saw in your hands...moving from tree to tree or packing in and out. The newer saws don't have the low end grunt that the old red or yellow saws did but they don't really need it most of the time either. Cutting small wood, and to me that's anything less than 60" dbh, calls for high chain speed with enough torque to power out of a light bind if you need to without double kerfing. With today's emphasis on saving out every available foot of wood it seems like a lighter and faster saw gives you more control on special cuts, shaping a hinge, and steering the tree to a good lay. If you're working short ground or if there's a lot of stumps and rocks being able to keep everything in lead and still save out will keep you employed. The faster saws are just better at that.

Now, all that being said....I still like to hear that old heavy iron running. The newer saws, by comparison, sound like an oven timer going off.
But would I want to do today's job, all day and every day, with yesterday's saws? No. You can't be sentimental about the old days and make a living at the same time. I appreciate the guys who restore and run the old iron...they're keeping the special history of our kind alive.

But me? I'll take my 660 or an 880, thanks all the same. :)
 
Ya. Old saws are just that. Old. Not really my thing. Too much work to be done to kill myself off with an old saw. Some of them were great. But now a days the human factor comes in. Like Limbing. Course being an Alaskan, Limbing is quite predominant in my mind when it comes to saws. . If a guy is in the wood for it, I consider the 390 with a light weight 36" bar or a 660 Stihl with the same bar to be about perfect. If I was 20 years younger then the 395 w/ same bar. . .

Oddly enough. Tho Huskies are really ergonomic. The 3120 is a box with handles. Were as the 84 and 880 are better feeling in my hands. . But. The old fashion bar mount just doesn't do it for me.
 
what do you guys cut that needs an 880 sized saw ? seems like a 460 will cut most anything around here, 660 tops if you want to pack it for 6-8 hours, most fallers run 460s here
 
I tried to stay out of this, I really really tried. But...Husky vs. Stihl? To quote a bullbuck friend who was answering the same question to a rookie faller..."Husky? They're okay and I guess they'll do until you can get down to the Stihl shop and get a real saw."

I knew I should have shot some pics of you running Fraser's 288XP.

I don't know...I have mixed feelings on that. I started in the early sixties and the first saw they gave me was a handlebar Mac...I don't remember the model number but I know that I didn't weigh a lot more than it did. After that I ran mostly 125s . I was working with my uncle and he was a Mac man. We were cutting old growth Redwood in those days and those saws, being torque monsters, were good for that kind of work. A lot of times we'd work a whole day on one tree so a faster saw wouldn't have made a big difference. The old saws were heavy and they were slow...but we didn't really know that because that was normal for those days. The saw spent most of it's time in the wood, you really didn't have to horse it around much compared to the way things are done today.

The newer saws fit better with the type of timber we're cutting today. The trees are smaller as a rule and the saws, out of necessity, are lighter and faster. You spend more time with the saw in your hands...moving from tree to tree or packing in and out. The newer saws don't have the low end grunt that the old red or yellow saws did but they don't really need it most of the time either. Cutting small wood, and to me that's anything less than 60" dbh, calls for high chain speed with enough torque to power out of a light bind if you need to without double kerfing. With today's emphasis on saving out every available foot of wood it seems like a lighter and faster saw gives you more control on special cuts, shaping a hinge, and steering the tree to a good lay. If you're working short ground or if there's a lot of stumps and rocks being able to keep everything in lead and still save out will keep you employed. The faster saws are just better at that.

Now, all that being said....I still like to hear that old heavy iron running. The newer saws, by comparison, sound like an oven timer going off.
But would I want to do today's job, all day and every day, with yesterday's saws? No. You can't be sentimental about the old days and make a living at the same time. I appreciate the guys who restore and run the old iron...they're keeping the special history of our kind alive.

But me? I'll take my 660 or an 880, thanks all the same.

CAM00432_zpscad56842.jpg

CAM00484_zps08d50095.jpg

CAM00486_zps9d841091.jpg



And here's Randy with the same saw (my Super 250) earlier in the day.

CAM00468_zpse5e86280.jpg

CAM00469_zps3b2ebc21.jpg

CAM00471_zps490f0513.jpg

CAM00473_zpsa9c5ca1a.jpg

CAM00474_zps90003ba0.jpg
 

Latest posts

Back
Top