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I run part throttle starting and finishing my bucking cuts, watching for the chips to turn color before I hit dirt. I don't like to hear my big saw screaming wothout a load, so I'm part throttle limbing anything under 6". The reason we don't do it more is technology. Carbs optimize at WOT and a given RPM. EFI will be able to optimize power in any throttle position and rpm situation. Shouldn't be scary at all, the throttle response should be amazing

Have you been hanging in the chainsaw forum and swallow a couple threads, jeez.
 
Diesels.....injection pumps....pickups...and cars EFI is cool.. Saws...dont know.. still like carbs even though I dont tune em myself. The carb still is cheap to work on and that is its saving grace. EFI has been around on sleds for a looooong time and works great. But is costly to work on when something fails. Computer controls on diesels are awesome they compensate for altitude, load, barometric, pressure, humdity and rpm. I still like injection pumps.

All that being said.. I can see the homeowners being cool with efi saws cause they dont know any better. I can see tree service guys being ok with them as well and tech type guys that plain old think efi is #####in. But for the logger who treats his saws like his first born...I dont know..

It'll be the same as it is now. The randymacs harkening back to a better time, the youngish guys making a change, and the kids wondering what the #### carbs are
 
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LOL. I have 10 year old saws, an 11 year old truck and a 30 year old dozer. I am well stuck in the past and mostly by choice and fear of the "new". I have seen what new cost initially and what new can cost after purchase and it scares the daylights out of me.
 
LOL. I have 10 year old saws, an 11 year old truck and a 30 year old dozer. I am well stuck in the past and mostly by choice and fear of the "new". I have seen what new cost initially and what new can cost after purchase and it scares the daylights out of me.

I'm right there with you cat, a little stuck in the past. But dude , sport for a new saw once in a while, good write off you know.
 
Not knockin ya Jon. I like techy stuff. But I also like old school.I also understand that those companies need to continually push the boundries in order to compete. I also think that the more advanced they get it becomes all that much more difficult for the layman to work on his or her own equipment. Which increases profitability for them. I am not interested in increasing their bottom line at more cost to me. My first truck I could fix most anything with a 100 piece crapsman tool set. Now I have to go to Ford and have the reached piece of **** plugged in at $90 an hour just to start to figure out whats going on. NOT cool.
 
LOL. I have 10 year old saws, an 11 year old truck and a 30 year old dozer. I am well stuck in the past and mostly by choice and fear of the "new". I have seen what new cost initially and what new can cost after purchase and it scares the daylights out of me.

I wish I could double like this!
 
Not knockin ya Jon. I like techy stuff. But I also like old school.I also understand that those companies need to continually push the boundries in order to compete. I also think that the more advanced they get it becomes all that much more difficult for the layman to work on his or her own equipment. Which increases profitability for them. I am not interested in increasing their bottom line at more cost to me. My first truck I could fix most anything with a 100 piece crapsman tool set. Now I have to go to Ford and have the reached piece of **** plugged in at $90 an hour just to start to figure out whats going on. NOT cool.

Nobody's knocking me, and if they are they are misdirected. This is where stuff is moving. Likes got nothin to do with it
 
I'm right there with you cat, a little stuck in the past. But dude , sport for a new saw once in a while, good write off you know.

I want to and I will eventually. I may be a good candidate for an autotune or an M-tronic. But most likely it will be a shiny new 372 or something a little larger. I need to get back to profitability first and foremost, which I am working on diligently. I have the mind for fixing my own stuff which is why I like oldschool even "new" old school.
 
I like old stuff, not just for the cool factor, but when they built them the factories and engineers understood that people wanted to work on their own equipment, made more sense to fix it yourself then pay some joker to turn a wrench.

Stuff now days and even 20 years old has more sensors and useless garbage on em that most times the problem originates with a god's damned wire.

The new crummy is a 1985 ford diesel... starts with a tractor key... glow plugs use a push button. Not much I can't fix on it, even though I'm still relatively new to diesels.

EFI on snowmobiles is all fine and good and probably a very good thing, my dad raves about it. especially out here where you can go from 0-500' at home up to 6-7,000' in just a few hours, or do a hill climb that gains you 1-2000' in just a couple of minutes, been on sleds that started acting up in the middle of a bad ass hill climb, or a side hill, not fun.

Plus on a snowmobile all the wiring and computer stuff is mostly protected. On a saw where is all that going to go? Plus that #### is heavy. and besides a guy really only works in a narrow range of elevation through out the day so its not like your tuning your saw every 45 minutes... if you are you need serious mental health...
 
Northman. Dont hold that push button to long on those glow plugs, they will fry easily. Hopefully someone switched it over to a denso starter.. those delcos on those can be a pain. So this one has a turbo on it? What make.. ATS? Banks? Must know more lol inquiring minds lol.



ps... those glow plugs can also mushroom.. which means you have to take the head off to get them out. A real pain in the twig and berries.
 
I run part throttle starting and finishing my bucking cuts, watching for the chips to turn color before I hit dirt. I don't like to hear my big saw screaming wothout a load, so I'm part throttle limbing anything under 6". The reason

we don't do it more is technology. Carbs optimize at WOT and a given RPM. EFI will be able to optimize power in any throttle position and rpm situation. Shouldn't be scary at all, the throttle response should be amazing

Boys. Your more prolific than rabbits. I can't keep up.
I pretty much run my saw wide open. Ya throw the chain a lot less. Pump more bar oil. Which is more important than most people think.
If a saw can't live wide open, it can't live in My hands. !!! .
 
Boys, I'm sorry for starting us down this dead end street. The future will happen regardless of how the "not so pro" forum quorum feel about it. I move we return to talking about fun stuff. TB could tell us a cool story, TC could post a video, Busted could re-inform me of my pathetic-ness, Slayer could say something nice, or cat, Roberte or I could make some kind of sarcastic comment. Please proceed......:sucks:
 
Northman. Dont hold that push button to long on those glow plugs, they will fry easily. Hopefully someone switched it over to a denso starter.. those delcos on those can be a pain. So this one has a turbo on it? What make.. ATS? Banks? Must know more lol inquiring minds lol.



ps... those glow plugs can also mushroom.. which means you have to take the head off to get them out. A real pain in the twig and berries.

Turbo is a roto sumthing... never heard of em... only gets around 3 pounds of boost... very rednecked on there. Guy I bought it from said he had it up to 7 pounds pulling a back hoe up a hill few months ago.

The starter sure does spin up faster then the one on my 7.3 though.

For the glow plugs I usually will just hold em a little longer than the seat belt light stays on. Haven't mushroomed any out... yet... I have burned up a couple sets of the delco's in the old crummy, gots bosch in there now, worth the extra $4-5. a piece.

Had to change out a tie rod end yesterday, the taper end of it was not getting tight, like 1/4" between the nut and the top of steering knuckle, and the windsheild wipers where messed up when I brought it home. Should be mostly street ready now, still have to fix the brakes, their kinda squirshy, either they need bled or the master cylinder is TU.
 
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ok, coffeed up now. do not take offence Jon this is not meant that way. a small logger makes money on his wits as much as selling logs. very seldom do we pay some one else to fix any thing. when ya thro something at us that needs specialized equipment to diagnose n repair we will naturally be resistant to that. goes against our self reliant mind set. is it better? not in my opinion,
I have saws well over 20 years old that still run great. ever try to run a car with a computer that old, it will worry ya to death. for the homeowner it my be good, they not makein a livin with it and don,t mind dropin it off at the dealer on they way to work. biggest part of the time I gonna fix mine on the tailgate n go on to work. not arguing man, jus hope you understand our point of view.
 

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