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I had this medium sized, (16" at the cut, 10" 25 ft up), that was ant infested. A woodpecker had been conducting a rouge felling operation over the last month, so I wanted to drop it before the wind decided to knock it over in a not too cool direction. So, I thought it would be fun to do the whole job just using the older saws I've been bringing back to life. Instead of the occasional cookie cut, let 'em work.

I did cheat in that I used my Jonsered 2156 to drop it so I would be sure to put it exactly where I wanted it.

The lightest of the old guard was a Homelite XL12 which was assigned the limbing duties. It is one of the older straight port muffler deals. 3 minutes of that nonsense and I went into the house for some ear plugs. It wasn't just loud, it actually hurt your ears. I imagined some kind of product meeting years ago at Homelite where some forward thinking individual says "Gee fellows, we've been selling this thing for quite a few years, isn't it about time we put a real muffler on it?"

"What?"

"I SAID, HOW 'BOUT WE PUT A MUFFLER ON THE XL12!!!"

I wonder how close the vote was.

Question: What's the first step for a muffler mod on an old XL12?
Answer: Go look for a muffler.

After the ear plugs it was fine, but I'm sure that sound carried for miles. Good thing I live in the woods, but letters of apology will be mailed out to neighbors tomorrow. With gloves on, the vibration was non intrusive. Power was fine in some of the bigger stuff, but it wasn't quick by any definition.

After most of the smaller stuff was cleaned up, it was time for the big boys to play. Stihl 041, Jonsered 920, and the surprise of the bunch, a Pro Mac 850. The Stihl was a bit smaller than the other 2, and therefore lacking in comparable power, but it was the saw you could run for the longest time without fatigue. In this size wood, you wouldn't be inclined to set it down to pick up either of the bigger saws. I only had a 16" bar for it, but that probably added to the comfort level. The Jonsered had the most power and the most speed, and wasn't really tested in this size wood. You could lean on it and the RPM's didn't even drop. Then there's that Mac. It was kind of loud, but a deeper sound and less shrill than the Homelite. It almost sounded angry. Would run past the Stihl and wasn't that far behind the 920. It didn't have spikes on it, but you could push straight down on it, and it just kept going. Like the 'Red, this size wood wasn't much of a challenge. The vibe system was easily as good as the other two. I guess I call it the surprise of the bunch because it was more contemporary than I expected. I think that for the most part, these saws were all out at about the same time, and the Mac was certainly competitive in it's day. I just wish I could lay it across the backsides of the suits who decided to abandon the real saw market to sell eager beavers.

While this was all fun, it's undeniable that the 2156 that spent the day sitting by the stump, would have been a far better choice for the whole job. You can easily appreaciate the improvements on the newer saws when you run the older ones. But you know what improvement I'd really like to see: A saw that drags it's own brush. That's what tired me out.
 
Sounds like lots of fun, I really enjoy fooling around with the old guard. I used to mill with a Mac 550 (100cc)..... what a horse that saw was! I actually caught my dog rolling his ears into the ground to stop the pain. I shut it down and took him inside. I still use a Jonsy 910 and Husky 2100 to mill with... terrific saws.
 
Good post Spike

I like the old saws too. I got a 031 last spring and I get a kick out of playing with it. Old thing runs fine and is kinda peppy as well. Sorta lets you know what the old timers used in the day. I got a old 051 I fire up now and then and though it runs ok I pity the old timer that had to use one all day, that thing is heavyyyyyyyyyyyyy....
 
The 10-10 and I believe the 850 Mac or it's replacement were still in the lineup when Mac circled the drain and went into the history books.That was a classic example of a board of directers with their heads up their a$$ .

In their day ,both the 10 series and the SP 80/81/850 were the ultimate in design and several manufacturers researched the design in hopes to gain enlightenment for their own products.

The Homey xl-12 was nearly bullit proof.Many are still alive and well but don't get used too much these days.In it's day it was the direct competition for the 10-10 Mac,kind of like a Ford-Chevy thing.
 
I play like that with my old saws a lot. Just this weekend I did all my cutting with a Lombard Comango, 68 cc's, 20 inch bar. That saw has a lot of snot. Loudest saw I own. It's louder than my big Macs, and they hurt your ears. It makes me laugh when someone says a muffler mod will shorten a saws life. These old girls didn't have mufflers, they had spark arrestors. Thats even what they are called in the manuals. They were not meant to quiet the saw, just keep the forest from burning down. I look at my 30 to 40 year old saws, still running, and wonder if my 346xp will live 40 years. I seriously doubt it.
 
Ah, yes, the xl-12! I have three of them even though I am too embarrased to list all three in my signature. One of the them is as pretty as any saw I own and they all run nicely. Fabulously reliable as backup saws. They're neat sounding saws, especially the "straight pipe" models. I do wish they were auto oilers, though.. it's just too easy to forget to mash that button during the cut.
 
I think my youngest saw is about 20 years old.




I would grab my 925, sez SXL or 450-550 before going after the few newer, high strung saws in the fleet.



A buddy of mine just dropped off a Stihl 045 to be fixed, dosent seem so much dfferent than the rest of my favorites.






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Oldies but goodies !

I cut with an XL12 and 041 for alot of years and I still get em' out to run on occasion. They have alot of grunt compared to the newer saws.
The newer saws I have to worry about keeping the R's up to stay in the cut whereas with the oldies, you drop it in the log and let'em eat !!
And yeah they sound great!!
 
I play like that with my old saws a lot. Just this weekend I did all my cutting with a Lombard Comango, 68 cc's, 20 inch bar. That saw has a lot of snot. Loudest saw I own. It's louder than my big Macs, and they hurt your ears. It makes me laugh when someone says a muffler mod will shorten a saws life. These old girls didn't have mufflers, they had spark arrestors. Thats even what they are called in the manuals. They were not meant to quiet the saw, just keep the forest from burning down. I look at my 30 to 40 year old saws, still running, and wonder if my 346xp will live 40 years. I seriously doubt it.
Regarding the Lombards,Comango,AL-42,be carefull on those old duffers because they are prone to get seal leaks as they age.I've got a leaker ,as I type and two parts saws they were leakers before they seized in the hands of the prior owners.They have a lot of grunt but are really just a Homelite take -offs.The name comango was given to that model when a contest winner came up with the acronym for command-and-go.Trivia.

The muffler mod thing is because these modern saws use pressure can mufflers,entirely different form spark arresters,which are basically no muffler at all,almost zero restriction.They hog out the pressure cans then forget to to richen up the carb and run the saw lean,ugh.
 
Regarding the Lombards,Comango......They have a lot of grunt but are really just a Homelite take -offs.

yes the Comango is a knock off of the super xl, but its 10 cc's bigger. I don't see it being a bad thing...being a knock off of a super xl...one of the best saws ever made.
 
Ah, yes, the xl-12! I have three of them even though I am too embarrased to list all three in my signature. One of the them is as pretty as any saw I own and they all run nicely. Fabulously reliable as backup saws. They're neat sounding saws, especially the "straight pipe" models. I do wish they were auto oilers, though.. it's just too easy to forget to mash that button during the cut.

Yeah, I've got 3 myself. Restored one of the blue ones to like new condition. That and one of the others had been sitting in a junk pile for years. Carb kits and fuel lines and they were fine. One of them has a somewhat rare paint scheme. Red, white and green. Don't know if it was some kind of anniversary model or a response to some of Pioneers' Holiday models.

Once I had the ear plugs, I enjoyed running it.
 
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