The Science and Fine Art of Tree Spiking

[GASoline71]

It has happened, and some tree huggers have celebrated and DO openly encourage spiking specifically in order to injure or kill loggers.

It's just friggin' sick.... it turns my stomach to even see these idiots hailing some eco-terrorist group that had something to do with tree industry deaths. I gotta quit readin' this post before i lose my mind and blow up a tofu factory. I'll starve the SOB's!!!...

BTW Gypo... where in the hell do you find all this stuff? You are always diggin' somethin' up that can get everyone riled up. I wish we could all just band together and put a stop to those freaks. But I guess we would then be just like them. Ironic.... no?

Gary

 

[kf_tree]

It has happened, and some tree huggers have celebrated and DO openly encourage spiking specifically in order to injure or kill loggers.

i'm sorry but i do not believe this for a second. i cut in brooklyn new york. i've cut into tree's that are like cutting into home depot. if a saw kicks it's because of improper use or sloppy work habits. show me proof where spiking has led to death or injury of a cutter due to kick back. because i flat out think it is bs.

think about it.....only loggers have been hurt or killed by hitting metal in tree's. what about all the tree apes cutting in the cities across the us. they should be dropping like flies if this bs was true.

 

[smokechase II]

I remember reading a few years back that the only documented incidence of an industry person being hurt by spiking was a mill worker in Northern California. I cannot recall all the specifics, but it was a very serious injury.
An important side bar is that many; I think most enviro groups speak out publicly against spiking. Not everyone is a Tre Arrow. We have lots of environmentally oriented folks that are now strongly for thinning and others fuels projects that have the objective of returning the forests to a more balanced state.
Technology marches on. If the logger has a metal detector, the spiker has a ceramic spike that can't be located by a metal detector.
Another form of technology is locating the tree spiker at the web site that started this thread through an internet white page.
A Bill Ragette' of
Culloden, WV
has a phone number that matches the one on the net site; (304) 824-2885.
Suggest all cutters local to that area be warned.

 

[J_Ashley]

Read some more on that sight... that guy own's a sawmill, so it says.

And the section about driving several large nails into the tree jsut makes me think....
"it's ok, I'll traye in the MS660 for the TS 700 with a carbide circular saw blade... It's ain't no thing"

Justin

 

[BlueRidgeMark]

i'm sorry but i do not believe this for a second. i cut in brooklyn new york. i've cut into tree's that are like cutting into home depot. if a saw kicks it's because of improper use or sloppy work habits. show me proof where spiking has led to death or injury of a cutter due to kick back. because i flat out think it is bs.

think about it.....only loggers have been hurt or killed by hitting metal in tree's. what about all the tree apes cutting in the cities across the us. they should be dropping like flies if this bs was true.

There have been a number of injuries & deaths reported in the papers in the northwest, which is where these kind of things are most often done. As for these sickos recommending it, do a search and you'll find their sites.

 

[046]

no question spiking is a bad practice!

but if an owner of a property decides to devalue his land, spike his own trees and pubishes that fact on public recorded title/deed. not much to debate about that.

since spiking is non reversible it preserves current owner's wishes permenantly.

 

[Gypo Logger]

I don't know what could be worse, a treespiker or a treesitter.
Check this out.
John

http://www.mindfully.org/Heritage/Mary-Demkovich-Tree-Sitter.htm

 

[Diesel JD]

At least the tree sitters are peaceful in theory adn pose no risk to the loggers. I agree if an owner spikes his/her own trees, nothing to be done about it except they should warn anyone that works on teh property and warn any potential future buyers both about the devaluation and potential hazard.

 

[Buzzlightyear]

What a complete and uttter arsehole that crap beggars belief

 

[kf_tree]

There have been a number of injuries & deaths reported in the papers in the northwest, which is where these kind of things are most often done. As for these sickos recommending it, do a search and you'll find their sites.

do you have any links for this? i can understand a mill worker being injured or killed but not a cutter. as someone who makes a living running saw's 5-6 days a week i can not understand how hitting a piece of metal with a saw would make it violently kick back. think about what makes a saw kick back. i'd be more than happy to drive some rail road spikes into a log and sink a saw into it at the next gtg (so i have witness's) just to prove my point, nothing will happen except beat up a chain.

 

[smokechase II]

Take a look at http://www.peterherrick.com/content/treespiking5.htm
Note how this enviro guy understates the injury to the mill worker.
Now take a read of http://www.iww.org/unions/iu120/local-1/EF/JBari11.shtml
That injury was way more serious than stated above. But, that saw blade was part of the problem too.
Nothing is as simple as it seems any more.
My web searching is falling to come up with any other confirmed injuries and so is my limited memory.

 

[GASoline71]

do you have any links for this? i can understand a mill worker being injured or killed but not a cutter.

Summer 1984... I was 16 years old. Runnin' as a choker setter/bucker for a loggin company in the Pacific Northwest. Mount Rainier foothills. We went to work one day and there were these anti-logging idiots that were at the gate to the area we had been workin' in, protestin' "old growth" harvest. What these pricks didn't know was we were loggin' second growth trees. they were planted in the 1930's so they were big friggin' trees. Some of the old growth stumps (still had springboard marks in 'em) that were still there were more than 8 feet across. Big ****. The a$$holes had spiked the trees nearest the road and put nail-strips in the roads to stop the trucks. There were many flat tires that day. I don't know what cuttin' is like in New York, but when you are standin' on a 60 to 75 degree downslope brushy side hill, you have to be perfect when you start your felling cuts. Not much room for a quick escape. One of the fallers was a good friend of mine that is about 5 years older than I am. He was on one of those side hills near the road when his saw unfortunately hit one of those f#ckin' spikes. I didn't see it happen, but remember the fallers bringin' him to the landing where we were takin' a short break. Saw had kicked on the first cut he made, he lost his balance.... now he has a hook thingy where his left hand should be. Not a logger anymore. The Tacoma News Tribune might have reported on it but I doubt it. No internet back then. So you want to prove anybody wrong with a perfect conditions type of cut with a horizontal log with some big nails in it, have fun to the OOO's and AAh's of the crowd. This crap really happens.

Gary

 

[Lee Bradley]

My sawyer hit some iron in some stuff I had him saw for me.It came from the edge of a 40 acre woods,and was about 13 ft up in the log,the remains of a deer stand some yahoo had nailed up about 20 years previously.That little trick cost me the price of a bandsaw blade.

It is ever more exciting when you find it with a 52” circle saw. It is about like a hand grenade going off; saw bits (teeth), shanks (half-moon pieces of spring steel) and pieces of the saw itself flying everywhere.

 

[klickitatsacket]

I have a 1" scare from a ceramic spike. I was an off bearer for a small mill in Shelton, Wa when I was 21. I stood about 25' in front and at 1:00 with back to a double cut twin blade headrig. The blades; if cut and and laid flat, were 36' long and 12 or 14 inches wide. They have teeth on both sides of the blade so that they cut as the log move forward and back. Our mill could only cut stuff up to 20" in diameter most of the time we didn't even see second growth timber. There was a contract that came from the Mt. Ranier National Forest. The protesters had been busted up and the logging went through. Any how we ended up hitting a ceramic spike. 116 stelite teeth ripped off and flying through the air. I got grazed and had 6 stitches in my right bicep. several went past me and embedded in the gang rip shack 50' ahead of me. there were 4 holes popped through the tin roof above and in front of the saw. It was only by the grace of God that I was not killed. When I told Aki ( the rat bastaard Japanese manager of the japanese owned mill that cut metric lumber. sorry)that I had to go in for stitches; he said: "you lazy American and you not a work a very hard" I replied back "F**K YOU AKI" and left. The next day I got $1.50 hr raise. Any how the eco wack jobs had painted save the old growth all over the trees. These were 3rd growth trees. The morons were placing spikes in 3rd growth timber. ???? pot smokers anyhow.

 

[BlueRidgeMark]

Dean, tell us how you really feel!




For the person that wanted links to back up the claim of fatalities...

Check Lexus Nexus if you want. Much of this stuff happened in the 80s, which is a tad bit before the WWW existed. OR search the eco-wacko sites now and you'll find the rhetoric. It's actually getting worse, not better.

 

[Marco]

If it really is a problem in your area host your own tree spiking party in the farthest chunk off forest you know of.






:blob5:

 

[klickitatsacket]

good idea and then I will invite all the loggers and mill workers in the area to sight in their favorite rifle.

 

[GASoline71]

If it really is a problem in your area host your own tree spiking party in the farthest chunk off forest you know of.

Are you friggin' kidding me.........

 

[TonyM]

I am an avid off road motorcylist. There are web sites that teach you how to ****y trap off road trails with spikes and wire and all sorts of nasty things. I don't know how many people have been killed from this type of activity, but running into a few thousands of an inch wire stretched across a trail at neck height while traveling 30 MPH can't be good for you. It's amazing what some of these extremists are willing to do.