The Ultra Rare (in USA) MS241CM

[MCW]

Your point isn't hard to understand at all, but what really is "just as well"? I don't agree that a 5100S will get the job done "just as well" as a 346xp, the difference isn't really large when felling or bucking (or blocking) - but much larger when limbing trees with lots of limbs.....

The inboard clutch of the Dolmars no doubt is the main culprit - it changes the balance and feel of the saws quite a lot. This obviously is the case with the MS261 and 241 as well.

If someone doesn't fell, limb etc in the woods - but just are blocking logs in the yard, these differences does of course matter a lot less.

Regardless of whether a saw feels better because of it's inboard clutch or not means little as far as production goes.
For example my Husky 353 thumped my MS261 in limbing not because of balance but simply because of a far better throttle response.
My 5100-S thumped both my 353 and MS261. Sadly all 3 of these saws have since been sold and replaced by an MS241 and 550XP. Out of the 3 sold saws the only one I regret selling was the 5100-S.
On a side note my new 550XP will thump any other 50cc saw I've used in throttle response AND power. It's only seen 2 tanks so far.
Also don't doubt the abilities of the 42.7cc MS241. It is an excellent little saw and no doubt helped substantially by the M-Tronic. I was running it on the weekend with a 16" 3/8"LP bar and in anything up to 8" it was right there with the 550XP and 18" .325" setup (I had to drop 4 trees for a customer). In cleaner wood it is a lot faster with the 3/8"LP and 7 tooth rim setup - actually surprisingly fast!
Wayne (gmax) gave it a run as well and was equally impressed.

 

[KiwiBro]

Regardless of whether a saw feels better because of it's inboard clutch or not means little as far as production goes.
For example my Husky 353 thumped my MS261 in limbing not because of balance but simply because of a far better throttle response.
My 5100-S thumped both my 353 and MS261. Sadly all 3 of these saws have since been sold and replaced by an MS241 and 550XP. Out of the 3 sold saws the only one I regret selling was the 5100-S.
On a side note my new 550XP will thump any other 50cc saw I've used in throttle response AND power. It's only seen 2 tanks so far.
Also don't doubt the abilities of the 42.7cc MS241. It is an excellent little saw and no doubt helped substantially by the M-Tronic. I was running it on the weekend with a 16" 3/8"LP bar and in anything up to 8" it was right there with the 550XP and 18" .325" setup (I had to drop 4 trees for a customer). In cleaner wood it is a lot faster with the 3/8"LP and 7 tooth rim setup - actually surprisingly fast!
Wayne (gmax) gave it a run as well and was equally impressed.

Real-world experience. Thanks.
BTW, they have surfaced in dealers here, at NZ$1300 or so.:msp_scared:

 

[MCW]

Real-world experience. Thanks.
BTW, they have surfaced in dealers here, at NZ$1300 or so.:msp_scared:

Nah I just made it up
It looks like you're paying around the same for MS241C's over in NZ as we do here although I can get Aussie sourced MS241C's for just under $1000. RRP is $1249.

 

[gmax]

Regardless of whether a saw feels better because of it's inboard clutch or not means little as far as production goes.
For example my Husky 353 thumped my MS261 in limbing not because of balance but simply because of a far better throttle response.
My 5100-S thumped both my 353 and MS261. Sadly all 3 of these saws have since been sold and replaced by an MS241 and 550XP. Out of the 3 sold saws the only one I regret selling was the 5100-S.
On a side note my new 550XP will thump any other 50cc saw I've used in throttle response AND power. It's only seen 2 tanks so far.
Also don't doubt the abilities of the 42.7cc MS241. It is an excellent little saw and no doubt helped substantially by the M-Tronic. I was running it on the weekend with a 16" 3/8"LP bar and in anything up to 8" it was right there with the 550XP and 18" .325" setup (I had to drop 4 trees for a customer). In cleaner wood it is a lot faster with the 3/8"LP and 7 tooth rim setup - actually surprisingly fast!
Wayne (gmax) gave it a run as well and was equally impressed.

Absolutely! I have more respect for 3/8 LP after running Matt's 241 with LP , it's like a hot knife in butter :msp_biggrin:

 

[RonL]

I bought A Solo 642 to use as a climbing saw in conjunction with my Stihl 200t. The Stihl is equipped with a lightweight 14" bar. I put an Oregon 91 series 16" bar on the Solo with A VXL 3/8 LP chain. The Solo is handy for when I need to start chunking down a tree.

I bought an Echo CS500P with an 18" bar as a backup for the Solo and to use when I need to start chunking down larger wood.

The Solo is a 40cc saw that is on a 35cc chassis. It is a very light and handy saw. I found it very useful on the ground for buzzing through small branches. It made me see the value of a small saw. However, it is a 9 pound saw. The Echo weighs 10.6 pounds. When you start getting to 10 pound 42cc saws I would rather go to the Echo. Just the way I look at it.

RonL

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[one.man.band]

?? I don't get the point of comparing those two. They aren't competing models. It would be like comparing an MS362 to a 372XPW. Uh, yeah, the bigger one has more power.

I take it there are no dyno results yet for the 543XP?

from the newest batch of saws coming out, these are the two models which caught my eye.

for more than 90% of the cutting i do, either one of these new models would fit the bill. (i'm sure there would be others as well. i don't doubt that). there are many of us in the same boat liking the smaller cc type for their needs.

intention was not to compare apples to oranges, just to present some information. enjoy reading the reviews here of the newest saws and just wanted to add something.

my sons are getting old enough where another good 40 to 50cc class saw would really help things out around here.

if they would stop sending me those green, pink, and yellow overdue letters, maybe i would have a chance getting either of them.

-OMB

 

[naturelover]

The 241 does of course feel a lot better in the hands, but it also has lot less power....

So you've handled a MS-241? Did you get to run it?




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[Stihl Livin]

Wish stihl would hurry up and get them here in the US. I would like to try one out as I could use a light weight limbing saw.

 

[Stihlman441]

Wish stihl would hurry up and get them here in the US. I would like to try one out as I could use a light weight limbing saw.

Ideal for that and then some,i use mine all the time and thats the first one my kids go for.

 

[MCW]

Ideal for that and then some,i use mine all the time and thats the first one my kids go for.

They are a top saw. You need to try 3/8"LP Andrew. In clean green stuff you will get a massive shock at just how fast it is with a 7 pin rim.

 

[Stihlman441]

Edjamacate me on the LP stuff,have been using .325 .063 Stihl RS 7 pin on the green stuff.:msp_confused:

 

[MCW]

Edjamacate me on the LP stuff,have been using .325 .063 Stihl RS 7 pin on the green stuff.:msp_confused:

All you need mate is a P7 rim from Stihl which is a dedicated 3/8"LP rim (I think you changed over to a rim setup like I did?). You'll also get a bit more chain speed running the slightly larger 3/8" rim compared to the .325" 7 pin. I tried an 8 pin .325" rim on mine but in actual fact I think it slowed it down a bit. It definately wasn't any faster anyway.
I'm running a 16" GB 3/8"LP 55DL Arbortech bar at the moment (great little bars and are actually a solid, replaceable, pro style bar for small saws in orange!).
The US Stihl dealers can get Stihl laminated 18" 3/8"LP bars to suit but they are not available via Stihl Australia. The 241 will easily run an 18" bar with low profile. I'd love to run an 18" on it for a little bit more reach when limbing etc.
A fellow NZ member here bought the other 16" Arbortech bar I had in stock and he runs 3/8"LP as well. In fact he sort of rubbed it in with comments such as "I TOLD you 3/8"LP was fast" but I won't give him the satisfaction of letting him know he was right. I hope he doesn't read this
In dirty stuff forget it, low profile simply won't last. I was going to say simply won't cut it but that's a bit of a lame pun

 

[Stihlman441]

So if i was to give the LP a go i only need to get a new rim and loop of chain.
I am using a 16'' Stihl laminated at the moment.

 

[Stihlman441]

Arr looks like GB 3/8 LP only comes in .050'' correct.

 

[MCW]

Arr looks like GB 3/8 LP only comes in .050'' correct.

Yeah mate you'd need a new rim, bar, files, and chain. All 3/8"LP is .050" except the "micro picco" style chain like you see on small homeowner saws and pole saws which is .043" and has even smaller cutters.
You could even deck the 241 out with .043" Micro Picco as Stihl make bars to suit but then I'd have to come down and slap you for being a girl.
Seriously mate you'll get a shock at just how smooth and fast this gear cuts. I was surprised and Wayne was too. In clean stuff it will also hold it's edge really well. I'll tell you what, I'll send some chain over for free if you want to have a stab at 3/8"LP

 

[Stihlman441]

Bugger to much to change over.
Out of interest what size file is required.

 

[MCW]

Bugger to much to change over.
Out of interest what size file is required.

5/32"

I can understand the changing over part. I have tried to trim my inventory but to no avail. One good thing about low profile is that it is fast and easy to file compared to other chain sizes. The cutters are so small that the file just falls through them under gravity alone. Well nearly...

 

[Stihlman441]

5/32"

I can understand the changing over part. I have tried to trim my inventory but to no avail. One good thing about low profile is that it is fast and easy to file compared to other chain sizes. The cutters are so small that the file just falls through them under gravity alone. Well nearly...

5/32 is what ya use on .325'' anyway i think.
When you say the cutters are small you mean in tooth width ya.

 

[MCW]

5/32 is what ya use on .325'' anyway i think.
When you say the cutters are small you mean in tooth width ya.

I normally use 3/16" on .325"
Also the cutter is smaller everywhere and in every aspect. Just think of a baby 3/8" RMC

 

[Stihlman441]

I normally use 3/16" on .325"
Also the cutter is smaller everywhere and in every aspect. Just think of a baby 3/8" RMC

Right O cheers.
Have a lot at ya emails.