Thoughts on this "Yamaha" saw

[bwalker]

Unfortunately, you're correct. Not just cars either, Mexico doesn't care who is dumping money into their economy, so long as it's lots of money for many years to come.

Mexico is a third world Narco state. It's about time they be declared a state sponsor of terrorism.

 

[bwalker]

The alternative for a lot of people is buying nothing.

No, that's not the alternative. With more people employed building things in this country there are more people that have the money to buy good stuff.
This non sense about oodles of cheap foreign junk boosting our lifestyle is without merit. It's actually a race to the bottom.

 

[OM617YOTA]

No, that's not the alternative. With more people employed building things in this country there are more people that have the money to buy good stuff.
This non sense about oodles of cheap foreign junk boosting our lifestyle is without merit. It's actually a race to the bottom.

I didn't say oodles, and I didn't say it boosted everyone's lifestyle, just that it has it's place.

 

[OM617YOTA]

I have a boatload of Stihls from the 1980s-1990s. Only one bought new, that came as a package deal on a logosol M5 mill, $1600 for mill, new 066, and accessories.

The rest of the Stihls I got free or <$100 and rebuilt them with OEM parts. Not more than $300 into any of them.

Definitely the better option.

I eventually traded a Mac 795 that I got at a garage sale for three bucks and got running to someone else for a Stihl 034S. Never looked back.

 

[dwaugh]

I do object to the obvious clones, although I have to admit for various limited use items I have gone "cheap". I do fault China for allowing the clones, but at the end of day it is customers (in the US and other places) that drive it. If they didn't sell they (mostly China) would either up the quality or stop making them. The consumers drive the market.

 

[holeycow]

There in lies the problem. You probably only need one "good" saw, yet you choose to buy Chinese **** out of spite

One is none. So I "need" three.

Regarding the name-brand failures. I was there. I saw lots of brand new machinery fail within days. It was a pandemic of ****. The unwarranted and unwarranteed failures are inexcusable. All three of the fancy companies had them (loosely including Echo in the mix). Repeatedly. Over the course of many, many years. No loyalty deserved.

I have a bunch of "good" saws. I don't need any more. Well, one more, hehe. I choose to run the junk for now, because all evidence to date says they are not junk at all. We'll see...

 

[bwalker]

I didn't say oodles, and I didn't say it boosted everyone's lifestyle, just that it has it's place.

Oodles is what it becomes. Guys would rather buy 3 chicom pieces of garbage instead of 1 good saw.

One is none. So I "need" three.

Regarding the name-brand failures. I was there. I saw lots of brand new machinery fail within days. It was a pandemic of ****. The unwarranted and unwarranteed failures are inexcusable. All three of the fancy companies had them (loosely including Echo in the mix). Repeatedly. Over the course of many, many years. No loyalty deserved.

I have a bunch of "good" saws. I don't need any more. Well, one more, hehe. I choose to run the junk for now, because all evidence to date says they are not junk at all. We'll see...

You must have terrible luck or are a complete ham fist.

 

[holeycow]

Huh?

 

[Mad Professor]

Huh?

ham fist = beats the crap out of equipment

 

[lloyd786]

The issue is, sanctions on China really mean nothing to them. They don't care about them and will keep right on doing exactly what they are doing and the swan song of cheaply made hard goods resonates with buyers, not only in Europe, but here as well as noted by the purchase of cheap Chinese saws on this site and others. Why buy an expensive name brand like Stihl or Echo or Husky when you can buy a saw for half the cost, chains and parts as well. Like the Hipa vendor. All Chinese and all a lot less expensive than the genuine counterparts..

Might not be the same quality as the genuine stuff, but it's cheap and therein lies the impetus for buying it. People here and elsewhere. People here and elsewhere are geard to cheaper is better even if cheaper is lower quality and the Chinese comply with cheap labor and substandard products. I will say that not everything made in China is substandard. The Chinese can and will produce quality hard goods with proper oversight, a good example is battery operated power tools. Milwaukee and DeWalt and other name brand cordless power tools are made in China, a lot of them on the same production lines as the less expensive Harbor Freight cordless power tools, the difference is oversight.

If the Chinese are left to their own standards without oversight, they produce substandard products and sell them for less, usually a lot less and the buying public, not only here, but it Europe, vacuum them up.

People are under the impression that brand name tools are more expensive because of their inherent quality but in reality, they are all made in the same Chinese factories on the same production lines, the only difference is oversight.

Bottom line is, a cheap Chinese saw is just that, a cheap clone, cheaply made and the life will be shorter. Of course you can modify it (people on here do) but the build quality is lacking and ultimately it will fail.

Myself, I try to buy name brand stuff always. Just ordered a fuel pump for my wife's zero turn mower on Amazon. I had a choice between a Chinese pump and a Genuine Briggs pump. The only difference was price. The Briggs pump cost almost 2 times what the Chinese clone cost but I still bought the genuine part. Why? Because the genuine part actually has a guarantee. The Chinese part has none. You buy the Chinese part and it don't work or fails quickly, what do you have? You have nothing. I don't play that way and I'm willing to pay more for a quality part and that also applies to power tools like chainsaws. A while ago I did purchase a Farmtec saw for kicks and grins. It was cheap and I was not impressed. In fact, I used it 2 times and gifted it to the guy down the road. Not something I want to keep.

Far as the Chinese automobiles go, the swan song of cheaper resonates worldwide. So they don't last or catch on fire regularly. People will still buy them based entirely on price and roll the dice. Human nature to buy cheap and the Chinese comply/

Sanctions mean little to nothing to them. So long as their bottom line remains solidly in the black, they could care less. The have cheap labor unlike we do or the EU has and that in itself makes their products less expensive. No unions there, no ancillary benefits, no retirement, nothing that exists in the EU and here that jacks the cost of hard goods up.

Bottom line here is the 'legacy costs' are the driving factor in the overall cost of hard goods, especially automobiles and trucks. That don't exist in the Chinese economy and makes us uncompetitive with them.

What is the answer, I don't know, but I know one thing and that is, nothing will change in the foreseeable future.

Well said. Add in the factor that china has ill intentions for the US and they exploit thier workforce to the point of slavery. Vote red and bring back the tarrifs. And I’ll keep buying huskys. And rams.

 

[holeycow]

O. And no.
That's called "rammy" around here. And no.
Hamfisted means fumbly, clumsy.


How soon the totally biased forget about the bearing failures, the air leaks, the not easily adjustable lean-tuned carbs, the **** show of warranty refusals. The customers left holding the bag. Guys started showing up to jobs with more saws cause they didn't trust their equipment. They changed brands. They kept their old, good stuff and kept running it.
Whatever it took.


I guess there's a lot of brand-blindness I guess.
Disingenuous, those who sweep the dark ages under the rug...


And their beloved brand has a lot of made in china in them anyway.