Thread on You Tube falling mistakes

[smokechase II]

This will probably digress.

I'm hoping for a concise - individual opinion - selection of falling errors as shown on You Tube.

Nothing complete in the way of an education, but perhaps a nice visual how-not-to supplement.

 

[smokechase II]

Example one

Forestry in Sweden 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ3kDa0JUWo&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Look at the opening sequence with a matching face cut required by a shorter bar.

Note the incomplete face cut.
It has an angle in it that can sponsor a tipping action as the tree goes over.
Loss of control either way can occur.

Jump ahead to the 3:33 - 3:37 time and note how it does cause the tree to 'change direction'.

This type of irregular face will tend to hold a tree up longer also.

 

[smokechase II]

Brief educational source

What I'm hoping for is something quick, so as to not waste the viewers time.

The best way, to correct someone's error here would not be with the usual argument phase.

Could you post a video or other pics of the correct method based on your experience?

This is a pretty neat site for world wide opinions on falling technique.

We can all learn.

A civil concise discussion with evidence.

Thanks

 

[Nailsbeats]

I would think a 20" bar would help out without too much more weight to carry. For limbing and boring it just offers more reach. Not sure what he was running but it must have been 16" or smaller. Maybe he wanted the chain speed and rpm's the short bar offers for boring.

I think he may have wanted the uneven face to trigger a roll as it makes it's way through the tops . It's possible he knows why he's doing what he's doing and isn't making a mistake.

 

[treemandan]

I don't know. He wasn't setting ropes so I guess he had to use the notch and wedges so he put more work into the notching. I don't like the way he buried the tip of that short bar with his hand on the side of the handle. I about jumped out of my seat when I saw that.
I don't know about the pointy notch thing either. Maybe Nails is right about helping it roll out ot the other trees. I think I would have used a longer bar and cut conventional, there would still be room to put a wedge I guess but I only dropped one real tree this year without a rope and haven't touched a wedge in years.

 

[MR4WD]

I would think a 20" bar would help out without too much more weight to carry. For limbing and boring it just offers more reach. Not sure what he was running but it must have been 16" or smaller. Maybe he wanted the chain speed and rpm's the short bar offers for boring.

I think he may have wanted the uneven face to trigger a roll as it makes it's way through the tops . It's possible he knows why he's doing what he's doing and isn't making a mistake.

I looked at the video... And it looks like he does know what he's doing. I think the tree rolled out at the same time it hit that messed up face. I'd much rather have a 372 with a 32" bar and a 7 pin than that 346/16 set up... But then at the same time if you watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPBEsQ__PgI

You can see where the little bar and little zippy saw shine in really small thinning and small falling/dense limbing operations though... I reckon if you're gonna have one saw, it better be able to do what you usually do better than what you sometimes do though...

 

[Meadow Beaver]

Yeah no one ever told them its important to make a good lay.

 

[Metals406]

I see a bunch of mismatched cuts, bar angles all over hell's half-acre. . . And as said above, absolutely a huge pile of pick-up-sticks.

Not sure if he's intending for those faces to be that way or not? They sure are ugly and unclean.

As far as the 18" bars, all I can think is OUCH. My back hurts just watching the video. Give them guys a 28" bar, and their back would thank them at the end of the day. . . Esp. in pre-commercial thinning.

To each their own I guess, but there's a time and a place for a bore cut, all they're doing is slowing down production IMHO.

 

[Meadow Beaver]

Maybe if they had bigger saws and longer bars, and skillz.

 

[dingeryote]

I ain't a pro faller by a long stretch of the term, but dadgum it seems like the guy spent waaaay to much time ratttling the tree around while standing under stuff that coulda fallen.

Maybe I'm not seeing something.

Stay safe!
Dingeryote

 

[Metals406]

Gear Queer. . .

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[isaaccarlson]

I think he just likes wearing out bars and dropping trees on

people and cameras. HE ALMOST HIT HIS BUDDY!!! You don't do that to your buddy.....tsk tsk...
Yeah use a longer bar for sure.

 

[clearance]

Gear Queer. .

I agree, all that to fall a tree...a "large" one as well. I guess the old humbolt, backcut deal is so 1980s.....

 

[pinemartin]

Nuff said

 

[robfromaz1977]

I agree, all that to fall a tree...a "large" one as well. I guess the old humbolt, backcut deal is so 1980s.....

Your right. The humbolt would have been to simple for that guy. And if that was a large tree, then the stuff I cut down for fire wood must be huge.

 

[bullbuck]

i would consider that to be a class a"beaver cut"remove enough wood and it will go somewhere!

 

[pinemartin]

No notch?????

 

[Burvol]

Wedging "big trees"...with a ball pin hammer. OK

They tell you how and where to stand, exactly where to put your legs and shoulder. Nothing about that could be under the lean. I have seen video of tons of people that can only cut with the tree to their left shoulder. What the hell? Oh wait, you only have half your handle bar! :hmm3grin2orange:

 

[Burvol]

I see a bunch of mismatched cuts, bar angles all over hell's half-acre. . . And as said above, absolutely a huge pile of pick-up-sticks.

Not sure if he's intending for those faces to be that way or not? They sure are ugly and unclean.

As far as the 18" bars, all I can think is OUCH. My back hurts just watching the video. Give them guys a 28" bar, and their back would thank them at the end of the day. . . Esp. in pre-commercial thinning.

To each their own I guess, but there's a time and a place for a bore cut, all they're doing is slowing down production IMHO.

That tree was a perfect 32" bar tree. They all are. Go long for a while and your so use to it, anything less feels strange except for the 28. I guess I could survive in an emergency with one. If your over 6 feet tall, a 32 should pretty much be standard in the wood he was cutting. I can just see these guys crawling around and bucking with midget bars, what a sight. Go buck blow down and you'll understand why long bars shine in logging.

 

[Gologit]

That tree was a perfect 32" bar tree. They all are. Go long for a while and your so use to it, anything less feels strange except for the 28. I guess I could survive in an emergency with one. If your over 6 feet tall, a 32 should pretty much be standard in the wood he was cutting. I can just see these guys crawling around and bucking with midget bars, what a sight. Go buck blow down and you'll understand why long bars shine in logging.

Well said. I don't watch too many of those tree disaster videos. They make my teeth hurt.