tree treatments discussion

[jefflovstrom]

Wow, Looking at those kills me! It is obvious that they had problems, that street scape was filled with Ralph Eleftus (sp?) Pivets, Gazania and a bunch of other perennials and very little Mia Porum, again (sp)!
That Mia Porum looks huge!
Looks very different from when I had it. I'm guessing that the HOA took over, they prob didn't want to spend the money it took to take care of it, if I remember right we charged $17,000 a month to take care of that one, the park and Lost, then there was a third street, but I cannot remember the name. Up by the school
Did all those nasty Sycamores make it?
I will see if we have pics of it in 02/03.

One by the school seems ok,but the othe three are dead (Canyon and Lost), It was about a month and a half ago we removed on in the median near Railroad. Landscapes USA has been there about three years. Yeah, the HOA took over. We will be removing the one's by the school on Lost during school break. They look to me like they were planted to deep or there was a grade change. They are still cabled. The sycamores on both sides of Canyon Hills are doing great. When I go there next, I will take some pic's.
Jeff

 

[sgreanbeans]

One by the school seems ok,but the othe three are dead (Canyon and Lost), It was about a month and a half ago we removed on in the median near Railroad. Landscapes USA has been there about three years. Yeah, the HOA took over. We will be removing the one's by the school on Lost during school break. They look to me like they were planted to deep or there was a grade change. They are still cabled. The sycamores on both sides of Canyon Hills are doing great. When I go there next, I will take some pic's.
Jeff

Railroad!, that's the other road!, couldn't remember. Cabled? I don't remember those? Syc's good! I'm glad something is left! The kids up there where horrible, running dirt bikes through all of the landscape, all the time! Always breaking branches.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I have not looked into it yet but the owner called me and sent me a link but I saw an entry level price of $795 I think. He will call you right back or email you with info.

more like 3795, get the blue-tooth set-up and it is more like $7k

 

[treevet]

more like 3795, get the blue-tooth set-up and it is more like $7k

You are correct but there was a bargain basement unit I saw for $795. I am still interested at the high figure although not going into winter, maybe in spring.

 

[treevet]

to prove my point.....

http://www.imldistribution.com/products/md-series/

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

to prove my point.....

http://www.imldistribution.com/products/md-series/

interesting, only the F series came up when I looked at IML's page earlier.

If someone gets the "cheap" one, let me know how well it works.

 

[treevet]

I'll ask Otto about it and get back.

 

[sgreanbeans]

more like 3795, get the blue-tooth set-up and it is more like $7k

What's the deal with the Blue Tooth?
4 grand! ill pass! 800 isnt bad, but 4G's! wow, I wonder what a cordless drill and real thin bits would do!

 

[treevet]

What's the deal with the Blue Tooth?
4 grand! ill pass! 800 isnt bad, but 4G's! wow, I wonder what a cordless drill and real thin bits would do!

Went to an entire Hazard Tree seminar with Ind. Arb Assoc. at Purdue U. and that is all that was used and you just judge by the quality of frass and resistance of the drill. Very little dif here other than you can vaguely tell HOW much resistance (how de lignified) the wood gived and it graphs it and can store it if you got the puter hooked up with the Resistograph.

That may be quite a bit tho in a court of law.

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I've talked to some big RCA types who do regular expert witness work. They say that having the paper tape is invaluable with known hazard cases involving injury or death.

I have done a number of invasive exams with a very long fine bit 3/16 X 8 inch if i remember.

You really do not have to go in very deep, especially if you just want to examine for removal purposes. Do 4-6 bores in the area of question 4-6 inches deep will give you a good idea. I only do it if a thumping does not sound good, I am leary about breaking reaction wood boundaries.

 

[brnchbrkr]

what about coreing?

Can coreing be used to determine the health of a tree?


http://cr.middlebury.edu/biology/treeline/educ_dialogue/virtual_tour/how/treeCoring.htm

 

[treevet]

Here is an interesting article on Len's seminars I just read....

http://on-line-seminars.com/index.php?p=1_7_Organic-Certifications

 

[treevet]

Good stuff!

It's interesting to note that much of this type of information was found in the publications of Rodale Press.......in the sixties and seventies! Tree care is but a small part of the philosophy.

handsome looking garden :agree2:

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

! Tree care is but a small part of the philosophy.

I often say that arboriculture is a subdiscipline of horticulture, which is a sub of botany. For some reason many arbo's get riled when I say that they are restricted horticulturalists.

Speaking of gardens, does anyone know why my squash would have mostly male flowers the past few years? I get scores of flowers, but fives of fruit.

 

[sgreanbeans]

I often say that arboriculture is a subdiscipline of horticulture, which is a sub of botany. For some reason many arbo's get riled when I say that they are restricted horticulturalists.

Speaking of gardens, does anyone know why my squash would have mostly male flowers the past few years? I get scores of flowers, but fives of fruit.

Not enough Bee's ?

 

[treevet]

good hypothesis

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Not enough Bee's ?

not enough female flowers, it's like a straight guy unwittingly walking into a gay bar "where's all the females?"

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I believe the flower ratio is about 10 to one.

m:f? sounds like what i have had for the last few years. Why did my Mom get so many zuch's back in the day?

Thanks for the ratio pointer, I was trying to think how to phrase the search forever. I just have to look for a different var. the pubs I looked at say that there is a wide variation between varietals. I only plant 8-10 plants at in a season, and have several different types.

 

[jefflovstrom]

So Jeff answered my question, hard and fast! Guess the drip doesn't do too well. :censored:

Well, I will up there on Nov.12th to remove the oak on the northwest corner of Lost and Canyon Hills near the school. I will takes some close pic's of the dead oaks and you may know if they were like that in '03. We are removing them one at a time because of their budget. I will get some pic's of the sycamores so you can see how nice they have gotten.
Jeff

 

[jefflovstrom]

I think if you Google image Lake Elsinore and go to Canyon Hills and Lost, you will see they are dead.
Jeff