treemotion standing rings?

[imagineero]

Hi all,
still havent been able to work out what these are for... On the treemotion harness there are an extra couple green rings or slots actually, where the rope bridge ties into. Can anyone tell me what they are for? They're called 'standing rings' in the sparse one page document explaining the harness.

Thanks,
Shaun

 

[beowulf343]

I'd have to look it up, but if i remember the terminology used on the treemotion, the "standing rings" were the upper d's. I think the ring names were lying, standing, and front. The bridge is attached through the slots on the rear of the front rings (lower d's) , leaving the rings freed up enough to be used as a four ring saddle if preferred.




I don't know if this helps at all because your terminology is not quite correct, but it's more than one page, and a couple pages down, shows how the front of the lower d's can be used without using the bridge.
http://www.treeworker.co.uk/downloads/treemotion_productinformation_01.pdf

 

[imagineero]

thanks beowulf,
that was really helpful and I did have the terminology wrong. Going by the link you sent me, the part I'm trying to workout is the 'front D rings' (part number 8). They have a hole in them that the bridge ties into, that's obvious enough... but they also have a big D.

Looking at the diagram on page 5, the farthest right illustration shows the guy hanging with a rope attached to each of the front D rings, but I've never climbed like this before. if it was double rope technique I'm going to tie into my bridge, otherwise I'll be hanging lopsided all the time.... or is this something else?

Thanks,
Shaun

 

[derwoodii]

I recall early tree harness all had a small web hook tag at the very rear back pad.
No one could figure out what it was for, such a hard place to reach or use, no one. Till one day the chap who made the tree harness from copying a Rock climbing harness said "Oh that twas on the Rock Harness too, I had no idea what it was for so put it in design anyway".
This web tag hook was copied and passed on by quite a few tree harness manufactures for years, still you can find it in production. Why?
A theory is it was used to hang the rock harness up in its locker or to hold the rockies chalk bag..True dinks I wuz told.

 

[imagineero]

I can see what you're saying, but I dont think it's quite that bad with the treemotion... it seems to be pretty purpose built ;-)

My guess would be that they put the slots there for those that prefer a solid attachment to a rope bridge - presumably you could throw a couple karabiners in there and have a solid attachment point.

I dont really get the diagram in the literature though... why would you want one rope attached to each leg?

Shaun

 

[derwoodii]

Yeah agree, very purpose built.
What I am trouble by with many modern harness is the complexity of design. They got bits of gear n hooks n rings n clobber hanging off every corner. Batman's utility belt comes to mind.
While innovation is good over supply of gizmo's hmm perhaps bad.

 

[beowulf343]

They have a hole in them that the bridge ties into, that's obvious enough... but they also have a big D.

Looking at the diagram on page 5, the farthest right illustration shows the guy hanging with a rope attached to each of the front D rings, but I've never climbed like this before. if it was double rope technique I'm going to tie into my bridge, otherwise I'll be hanging lopsided all the time.... or is this something else?

My guess would be that they put the slots there for those that prefer a solid attachment to a rope bridge - presumably you could throw a couple karabiners in there and have a solid attachment point.

I dont really get the diagram in the literature though... why would you want one rope attached to each leg?

Honestly, i wonder if the "big d" part, as you put it, is part of how they market the saddle. Now days, for new guys looking for saddles, it's all about bridges, bridges, bridges. However, there are many climbers, myself included, who prefer the older style four d saddles. This saddle is built so that the guys who prefer a bridge can have a bridge and those who prefer the lower d's have lower d's. If this saddle came with a bosun seat, i'd probably pick it up, simply because it's a more comfortable and modern saddle that has the lower d's that i prefer to use in my climbing style. Simply put, it makes the saddle more attractive to a wider range of climbing styles.

As for splitting the lower d's ("one rope attached to each leg"), i actually do it regularly. There are certain situations where i prefer it, it's just a preference thing. As to keeping from going lopsided, it helps to run your rope through a friction saver, and your saddle needs to be perfectly adjusted.

 

[imagineero]

Thats pretty interesting... I've never climbed with a rope on each leg, kind of interested to have a go now! Do you use it mainly when your tine in point is a really wide natural crotch, to reduce friction, or is there some other situation where it has advantages?

Thanks for the help,
Shaun