triolean traverse

[TreeJunkie]

You said the friction saver prusik slips at 1000 lbs. well my prob w/ this: that kind of force is enough to splatter my face across a lead. We need something which will decelerate at say 250 lbs and completely break away at 500 lbs.

 

[xtremetrees]

Originally posted by OutOnaLimb
I still wanna know whats wrong with using a friction saver prusik?
Kenn

As your only safety Ken? Well I dont know I never use it I guess you could.

I think MB wants a yates and he can just clip his lanyard into that. Or build it into a steel core flipline. And besides your prussik fails at 1000lbs that to much crane done be ripped MB apart by then and it aint pretty for cranes and it aint compact.:angel:

 

[xtremetrees]

Tree Junkie

 

[xtremetrees]

Now we have to ask the industry around the globe if they would recognize our need for this.
Mike done said its old idea. We cant do nuttin.

As stated earlier log pulling climbers out of trees aint kool.

This screamin gizmo would be used only during crane operations.
This is application for it.
Showum MB picss. In any case it should exist its ludicris and hearsay for us to not invent it now to shame on us all for not email um bout this.

Here is the list of our industry.
The names of people to help MB out.

1.) [email protected]
2. mailto: [email protected]
We'll start another thread maybe call it "screamin gizmoh and that is what well email to them

 

[OutOnaLimb]

I didnt mean as a primary tie in, well maybe the primary to the tree you are in, but if your tied in in a manner as you first discribed, and the tree you are in failed, the prusik would give when 1,000 pounds of force were put on it. I have never tried it, but I have tied off dead leaning trees that I had to climb into live trees and used a Z-rig to tighten up the lines using a prusik and a minder pulley.

Kenn

 

[wct4life]

Anyone state the idea of using a normal lanyard with a break a way chainsaw laynard? I have one that's a bungee style and breaks at 200# I believe.

 

[Dadatwins]

The thought of any 'breakaway' gear while climbing a tree just does not sit right with me.
I always thought climbing gear is designed to keep the climber in the tree in case of a fall. If the tree in question is so dead and dangerous that it cannot be climbed safely then I say find another way to get it down. Just my opinion.

 

[xtremetrees]

Originally posted by Dadatwins
The thought of any 'breakaway' gear while climbing a tree just does not sit right with me.
.

Its use would be limit Data.
Say in instances where you are already tied in. Or in dead tree failure I guess.

How many times have you upted to disconnect your safety and hold on with your hand on lightening struck or dead wood.

Its application would be mostly for cranes.

The break-away safety would need to be stronger than 200-250 lbs. I can break that much with upper body strength.

 

[OutOnaLimb]

Actually Xtreme, I was thinkin and I know a guy who braids bullropes down in New Mexico. Not the kind of bull rope you use to lower big chunks of wood, but the kind that cowboys use to ride bulls. He came up with a devise that he braids into his ropes that the cowboy can pull a lanyard if he gets hung up on the bull and the devise will break away. It was actually a pretty cool concept. I am sure if you got ahold of this guy he could make you a lanyard with the break away devise on it. The only thing is you got to activate it your self by pulling on a lanyard. I will see if I cant get a pic of it for ya.

Kenn

 

[xtremetrees]

Thanks Kenn that would be very helpful
Robert

 

[OutOnaLimb]

I did a couple of Google searches for it and couldnt find it. I have been out of the rodeo scene fror a few years, its likely this guy went out of business. I did some braiding for him and never got paid, or got my stuff back. I will keep lookin for ya though.

Kenn

 

[xtremetrees]

Roger Kenn,
ill check the board when I get back from Fl.
And well work on this some more .
Waiting on clothes to dry.
Cheers.

 

[OutOnaLimb]

Originally posted by xtremetrees
Roger Kenn,
ill check the board when I get back from Fl.
And well work on this some more .
Waiting on clothes to dry.
Cheers.

I hear that, I am washing and packing all my work clothes. One thing I learned from Lili is that your not gonna have any type of laundry service for the first two weeks or so. And if Ivan hits it may be longer than that.

Kenn

 

[Dadatwins]

Originally posted by Mike Maas
That is the point of the break-away lanyard, it make the job safe.
You are safely tied in on the uplean side of the dead tree, so if it falls you're held by your climbing line.
You don't want to be tied into the dead tree with a normal lanyard.

I understand the concept of having the laynard breakaway in case something goes wrong, but I guess it would be a nightmare to actually design one based on so many different variables. Chain saw breakaways have a fixed rating based on the pretty consistant weight of the saws. But climbers come in all different sizes and weights so I am guessing there would have to be different breakaway rating for the specific climber.

 

[Stumper]

Dada, Just make it breakaway at about 500lbs pressure-That will allow almost any climber to hang on it or set gaffs and push back into for positioning but if the tree fails it won't endanger the climber's saddle, primary tie or his body to too great a degree.:angel:

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Like my cousin Mike says, the idea of break-away lanyards has been discussed many times over the years. It makes perfect sense to have one in certain cases. It certainly wouldn't be my primary and probably not even my secondary tie-in.

If a tree went down underneath me I wouldn't want to be attached.

Keychain biners are OK but I wouldn't want any pieces of aluminum shrapnel around. Dave Spencer [I think] came up with the idea of using plastic webbing loops from backpacking gear. If someone wanted to "test" them it would be simple to do with a game scale and some bricks out in the garage. I'd be looking for something to break at less than 100# load.

Tom