I have never used tru-fuel 50:1 before as I can get non-ethanol fuel easily but the other day I was busy and I was already getting a order in that day so I added a couple quart cans to it. I never got around to using them until today and I am extremely puzzled. Neither of the cans/bottles had any sort of a seal to them. Just push down the cap and screw it off. There was no sort of a safety seal. It really makes me wonder if they have been returned by some unscrupulous person that used the fuel and returned the cans with straight gas. It does smell like gas but it would not surprise me if someone pulled that type of scam. Does anyone know if the quart cans have any sort of a seal? How about the "1 gallon" cans which are not a gallon?
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Non of the cans I got/have gotten have seals... ever.
Engineered has that distinctive smell tho and the colors. Now I have moved on to the 4stroke variety and mix my oil of choice, so I know it has protection.
Engineered has that distinctive smell tho and the colors. Now I have moved on to the 4stroke variety and mix my oil of choice, so I know it has protection.
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Never have seen a seal on a gallon can of any brand.
I've used True-Fuel and the Stihl, stuff, I don't remember there ever being a seal other than the cap.
As far as the scam possibility, I once got a water filter for my refrigerator from Amazon that ended up being used. Obviously someone swapped filters and returned it, can't remember if it was sold by Amazon direct or through a different seller on Amazon.
No doubt it happens, but the fridge filter was $50 so there is more incentive, it hardly seems worth the effort to bother with a can of gas. Of course some might...
That brings up an interesting point, besides dyes in the oil, is there a quick easy way to confirm a gas mix has oil? Clearly a lab can, but is there some simple at home test?
As far as the scam possibility, I once got a water filter for my refrigerator from Amazon that ended up being used. Obviously someone swapped filters and returned it, can't remember if it was sold by Amazon direct or through a different seller on Amazon.
No doubt it happens, but the fridge filter was $50 so there is more incentive, it hardly seems worth the effort to bother with a can of gas. Of course some might...
That brings up an interesting point, besides dyes in the oil, is there a quick easy way to confirm a gas mix has oil? Clearly a lab can, but is there some simple at home test?
That sounds correct. I don't think any of them use a hermetically sealed cap. I don't use Tru fuel, but I do use vp and stihl moto mix. Honestly it's good stuff. I never have carb or rubber issues. I just order it by the five gallon jug and even at that size, it never goes bad.
I would have assumed they would at least have a seal like a quart oil bottle
Huh.... now that you mention it..... yeah.... that would be better. More reassuring anyways.
If you buy TruFuel quart cans by the six (or eight?) pack they come in a sealed cardboard box.
The 40:1 stuff does have a very faint green dye to it that can be seen when there's enough of it in a big enough container. Looks like water when pouring into the saw. Smells more like carb cleaner than gasoline.
The 40:1 stuff does have a very faint green dye to it that can be seen when there's enough of it in a big enough container. Looks like water when pouring into the saw. Smells more like carb cleaner than gasoline.
Last shipment of Stihl motomix we got at work (about two weeks ago) came in sealed cans. We order a pallet worth of the gallons and quarts every other week. I’ve run most of the commonly available canned fuels and have never seen a seal on anything other than motomix.
It is just more than a bit unnerving to have a can that was not sealed.
None of the 40:1 gallons I bought for back ups emergency use only had seal. IMHO they should do them like oil etc with a foil seal.
Cant recall but only gave maybe 6 bucks a gal. I would never pay the regular prices they ask for canned mix.
Not my pic but bought 8-9 gal myself for ER only.
Bunch of guys bought them when they were selling the 40:1 off.
Cant recall but only gave maybe 6 bucks a gal. I would never pay the regular prices they ask for canned mix.
Not my pic but bought 8-9 gal myself for ER only.
Bunch of guys bought them when they were selling the 40:1 off.
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Amascon is noted for that. They resell returned items to mitigate their loss. Had that happen to me before as well. Ordered a set of Annular cutters (read expensive) and when they arrived the fitted case wasn't film wrapped and when I opened it, one of the carbide tipped annular cutters had the carbide inserts missing. It went back for a full refund and I bet they sold it to another unsuspecting customer. When I purchase something from Amascon (and I do regularly), I always look in the sidebar to see if the product is coming from a 'authorized seller' or Amascon direct.
It's a game they play that I don't like.
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Far as Tru-Fuel goes, I don't use it. I use Echo Red Armor 50-1 syn fuel. I can obtain it (Tru-Fuel) as well as VP racing syn fuel but I prefer the Red Armor and they all have a distinctly different smell compared to regular corn squeezed gasoline, distinctly different in fact. They smell (to my nose) more like a solvent than regular e-gas.
Far as sealed cans of Red Armor, I never paid any attention but I will in the future. I would imagine if you purchased the syn gas online, under ORM=D regulations concerning shipping, the containers must be sealed to prevent leakage in transit but I get mine from the dealer I work at part time anyway and I've never looked at the cans when they come in to the shop in cartons either as I don't unpack them.
I've had good results with Red Armor. In fact, when I 'winterize' my small power equipment, the corn squeezed pump gas gets drained out and replaced with Red Armor, the motors started and run on it for a short time and then stored and in the spring, restarted on it before adding corn squeezed gas in the tanks.
The dealer I work at part time only stocks and sells Red Armor in concentrated bottles and syn gas but locally I can get the Tru-Fuel and VP if I wanted to.
I'll look in the future however.
Far as sealed cans of Red Armor, I never paid any attention but I will in the future. I would imagine if you purchased the syn gas online, under ORM=D regulations concerning shipping, the containers must be sealed to prevent leakage in transit but I get mine from the dealer I work at part time anyway and I've never looked at the cans when they come in to the shop in cartons either as I don't unpack them.
I've had good results with Red Armor. In fact, when I 'winterize' my small power equipment, the corn squeezed pump gas gets drained out and replaced with Red Armor, the motors started and run on it for a short time and then stored and in the spring, restarted on it before adding corn squeezed gas in the tanks.
The dealer I work at part time only stocks and sells Red Armor in concentrated bottles and syn gas but locally I can get the Tru-Fuel and VP if I wanted to.
I'll look in the future however.
And I continue to get saws with Tru Fuel in them that won't start or run terrible. Replace the TruFuel with a known good mix and they start right up and run correctly. Known issue at shops.
I have purchased Tru Fuel, HK, and VP brands and so far none have had any additional seal.
Since I come from somewhat rural Iowa, I neve felt like I had to distrust anyone before me trying to pull a fast one.
I do, however, pick up several cans and take the one or ones that feel the heaviest...
Mark
Since I come from somewhat rural Iowa, I neve felt like I had to distrust anyone before me trying to pull a fast one.
I do, however, pick up several cans and take the one or ones that feel the heaviest...
Mark
No seal on any of the canned fuels I've bought.
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Interesting comment from Stihltec as we provide a quart can of Red Armor 50-1 as well as a jug of Echo bar oil with every saw we sell new and every saw we sell is pre fueled with it as well as Echo bar oil in the tanks....
In fact (not fantasy), my saws run better on 50-1 Red Armor than they ever did on pre mix pump gas. They idle better, produce less smoke when being used as well. I remember back a while ago that Tru-Fuel had an issue with their canned fuel but I don't remember what it was and since I don't use it, it was of no concern to me anyway.
My ancient 028 that I purchased new always had an idle issue that vanished once it got a diet of Red Armor 50-1.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess and my mileage may not be yours.
In fact (not fantasy), my saws run better on 50-1 Red Armor than they ever did on pre mix pump gas. They idle better, produce less smoke when being used as well. I remember back a while ago that Tru-Fuel had an issue with their canned fuel but I don't remember what it was and since I don't use it, it was of no concern to me anyway.
My ancient 028 that I purchased new always had an idle issue that vanished once it got a diet of Red Armor 50-1.
Different strokes for different folks, I guess and my mileage may not be yours.
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You can still get (I believe at least) Tru-Fuel in 40-1 or 50-1 as well as no oil added at all, at Menards or at least it was there last time I looked. Might not be true today as I have not looked in a while now as my travels at Menards don't take me by that department.
I'm not married to any brand, it's whatever is on sale at TS or dealer.
I don't use any of them exclusively " all by itself " but instead I just add a 32oz can to a gallon of non ethanol fuel mixed 50:1.
Yes the can fuel is 50:1 as well
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I don't use any of them exclusively " all by itself " but instead I just add a 32oz can to a gallon of non ethanol fuel mixed 50:1.
Yes the can fuel is 50:1 as well
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Can you ask the customers when they fueled up? Lots of people seem to think these canned fuels last forever, but they do have a life span and do go bad just like any other fuel.
