Unskilled or Lazy

[Guy Meilleur]

Originally posted by John Paul Sanborn
dragging the darn thing around in the tree and kepping track of it so it does not slice your ear off is another.

It snaps on a dogleash so easily I don't see how this can be a problem.
And mb you never set your line with one? Indispensable for me, and I'm not too bad at flipping a monkeyfist.
When retying way off to the side, how else do you retrieve the end of your rope?
You guys must know some amazing tricks; I gotta hang around and hear em

 

[dbeck]

I agree w/ a lot of what you've guys have mentioned...here's my two cents. Compare a climber who relys on the pole and one who does not...compare the cuts and 9 out of tenm the climber w/o pole wins on quality cuts. Remember we are trying to care for trees.
Also, do not let a new climber use one. MAke them get out to the cut on their own, they will figure it out. Otherwise, chances are they will end being less of a climber and not appreciate that tool.
on aside note, one of my friends worked for a municipality for a summer. He noted that the climbers were not allowed to use them because they spent too much time in the trees. Food for thought on those jobs which you specified 2" and larger rather than 1" and larger.

 

[Dadatwins]

Originally posted by dbeck

one of my friends worked for a municipality for a summer. He noted that the climbers were not allowed to use them because they spent too much time in the trees.

Interesting, we just got new boss at municipal job I work at and he WANTS us to use pole saw rather than chainsaw especially when cuts are above shoulder height. Does not care about time factor.

 

[dbeck]

Are you on the ground? If so that makes sense...but if you are in the tree, he wants you to pole saw (for example) 6'' piece of wood?
the time factor comes into play when you are pruning too much small stuff in the tips.

 

[Ax-man]

Am I uskilled because I use a polesaw to set a rope out on the very tips of a limb , that needs to be tip tied and raised and lowered butt end first, to avoid a wire, slate roof or a prized understory tree.

Maybe I'm being lazy, because I use a pole saw, to haul the rope back to me so I can make my running bowline. Instead of climbing out on this skinny little 2"branch I set my lowering rope in.

Just another example of another use for a pole saw in a tree.

This will work faster and easier in most instances than throwing a monkey fist through criss crossed branches,deadwood and then try to work it down to grab it, or trying to catch it with the rope to get it back to you, so you can tie the running bowline.

Larry

 

[Lumberjack]

Originally posted by Ax-man
Am I uskilled because I use a polesaw to set a rope out on the very tips of a limb , that needs to be tip tied and raised and lowered butt end first, to avoid a wire, slate roof or a prized understory tree.

Maybe I'm being lazy, because I use a pole saw, to haul the rope back to me so I can make my running bowline. Instead of climbing out on this skinny little 2"branch I set my lowering rope in.

Just another example of another use for a pole saw in a tree.

This will work faster and easier in most instances than throwing a monkey fist through criss crossed branches,deadwood and then try to work it down to grab it, or trying to catch it with the rope to get it back to you, so you can tie the running bowline.

Larry

No, i would say that that makes you more effecient. If you can work faster with it than without, then use it. However dont be try new things.

I use a polesaw for trimmin small trees, settin ropes, cuttin limbs in power lines (nothin major). Trimmin wher i cant get to, freein throwbags on occasion.

Another tool in the bag, but not a crutch.

 

[Dadatwins]

Originally posted by dbeck
Are you on the ground?

No mostly bucket work We have some 55' high rangers which reach most trees in the city. If we cannot reach we climb out or butt-tie but this guy does not want anything over our shoulder cut with a chain saw because its 'unsafe by the book' Not clear yet on his experience level like I said he is new and I have not seen him out there but it does not sound like he is going to be any fun to work with.

 

[murphy4trees]

If it's a safety issue... is her conserned about the falling limb or the falling saw??? If it's the limb then there should be a size factor as well.... If its the saw what book is he going by???
SAw manual, ANSI, OSHA???
I think this guy might just be safety conscious.. and that is good...
In the mean time better keep sharp tricut blades or maybe get someone to spring for a $600 power pruner....

 

[dbeck]

I hear ya on the stick saw murph...hey ax, the answer is no you are not unskilled fo rthat reason.
I thought we talking about cutting and pruning a tree w/ polesaws...if that's the case, why do we bring other facets of the pole saw world into this discussion? Using a pole saw to set a tip tie or bring climb line back is WAAAAY different than pruning w/ a pole; that is the issue I was raising

 

[murphy4trees]

Big Jon specifically mentioned pole for pruning... and its reasonable to extend that conversation into pole for setting lines etc..
I think in working 15+ days with Big John... pretty much just bringing him in for the monster trees... he might have asked for a polesaw twice... and that was just to pull hangers, one of which was in another tree... That is fully functional baby... its just faster for him to go to the work than wait for a pole, or move it around a tree all day...

 

[TreeJunkie]

At my company pole saws are a staple, when production counts especially on doing dead wooding jobs, they're a must. Don't confuse the usage as laziness, it can be time saving, now don't get me wrong i'm not going to have one sent out just so i don't have to work out one limb. Theyr'e also nice to work out the very tips for weight reductions otherwise many of these places you wouldn't be able to get to , no matter what your skills are..

 

[Lumberjack]

I use a polesaw for deadwooding also, but I also use some black widow and a 12 oz bag to knock out or pull out some small deadwood, and with a good position you could work a good sized area quickly.

 

[murphy4trees]

Theyr'e also nice to work out the very tips for weight reductions otherwise many of these places you wouldn't be able to get to , no matter what your skills are..

Now this may be a regional thing cause of the tree typed.... but you have to see a "Mark Chisholm" work a tree to understand...
Big Jon likes to work the tips and get every dead twig on a tree...
The first time I ever saw it, was a mind expanding experience... I never knew that kind of climbing was possible..... I've got some video clips that will hopefully be up on a new website soon..