using smaller diamiter split tail than the climb line?

[freeweight]

i notice beeline makes a 5" split tail and was curious and tried a blakes and a tautline with my 10mm bL on my neopro half in. line the blakes would not budge a mm got so tight ,the tautline unraveled ,so why do they make such small diameter split tails?

i was thinking of try the 7/16 neopro split tail with my 1/2ineo pro but guess thats not a good idea huh?

what hitches will work like this out of curiousity?

 

[RacerX]

There's no one size fits all answer. I love a 10mm Beeline E2E on an 11mm Tachyon rope. Not exactly standard by what you'll read but it works surprisingly well for me with a Distel hitch. I like the bigger hitch for grabbing with gloves on. I've used a smaller E2E and have had it bind so tightly that it became an annoyance.

 

[freeweight]

no im talkiing about the split tails they make for open hitches (blakes,tautline) that are 5' long not the eye2eye prussic cords wich work fine with closed hitches

i dont understand why they make small diameter tails for open hitches i was told blakes hitch needs same size tail as the life line to work ,as i said the beeline was 10mm on 1/2" neopro and it just locked up with a blakes hitch,and rolled out with tautline,i just want to try and see what happened


i was gonna buy the neopro split tail from treestuff.com and use it for a blakes on my 1/2 life line also neopro only green,but from what im hearing its not a good idea

i figured since on closed hitches smaller hitch cord make gripping better the same thing would be for open hitches with a smaller split tail

a couple mm less than the lifel.ine is to smal to tie the blakes?

sorry so long i just want to go back to simple setup just split tail and micro pulley,and i also like a larger hitch to hold

when using the distel whil it was a GREAT hitch got way to hot on descending and the finger rub the running end and OUCH

 

[RacerX]

Ahh, you did say split-tail sorry about that. Well in the simplest DdRT setup you would use the end of the rope to tie your hitch. A Blake's hitch would be, IMO, one of the best hitches when using that setup. That would also mean that the Blake's would be tied with the same size a rope. IMO the same reasoning would apply when using a Blake's with a split tail. Any reason why you would choose a split tail over an E2E?

 

[freeweight]

hope i understand u correctly ,but i started out just using a snap ,with line tied to it with 3' or so tail to tie blakes

i want to use split tail so i dont wear my rope out and have to snip snip ,and it can b useful for ART ,where i dont have to bear hug the tree to get above a big limb

ini's are for advanced hitches ,i tried them ,like the distel alot and the scwhabish ,vt was nice but released with hardly and pull ,catch me offguard alot

but the MAIN reason i want to go back to blakes hitch is the damn smaller cords get hot as hell and there isnt much to keep your hands /fingers from rubbing the line when descending,unless using 6 wrap prussik ,or do the "6-8 wrap UP and just attach to biner wich really suprised me how well thet work to be honest

so anyway will this 7/16 split tail work with half inch rope or will it bind to tight ?guess i should just go buy 7/16 rope 5' and try it out

 

[RacerX]

Yeah buy a short piece of various cords and try them out.

I seem to remember a similar question you posted in another thread about the hitch getting too hot on very long descents. IMO the problem is not the rope but the fact that you're descending on only the hitch. For a very long descent you should use a figure 8 or other device with the hitch as a backup. Or you maybe try a split tail made of a very heat resistant cord like Ultra-tech which is good up to 900°.

I remember when I started climbing, got to the top of a 75' oak and decided to take a long ride straight down using a Blake's on the rope. Ended up glazing over about 30' of a brand new rope. Never did that again.

 

[freeweight]

ok ,but nobody else seems to have a prob with how advanced hitches only have 3-4 wraps of 8-10mm hitch cord to hold on to ??

i dont care if your only going 30-40' while these hitches aare great ,they are crap to hold onto

anyway i went and bougyht 11mm hunk and made a split tail it does pretty well ,i like it ,but pull the taill of the blake to tight and it will lock up

 

[zopi]

ok ,but nobody else seems to have a prob with how advanced hitches only have 3-4 wraps of 8-10mm hitch cord to hold on to ??

i dont care if your only going 30-40' while these hitches aare great ,they are crap to hold onto

anyway i went and bougyht 11mm hunk and made a split tail it does pretty well ,i like it ,but pull the taill of the blake to tight and it will lock up

I am using closed hitches..schwab. or distel, as I am not all that comfy with a blakes...I use a blakes occasionally on a pony tail or double crotch, but I don't get to do much advanced stuff like that...

anyway..my point..I am only using 4 wraps with 10mm beeline on .5" samson arborplex...and no worries..works great ascending or descending...

I will have to think about my distaste for the open hitches..maybe I am just more comfortable with the closed hitch...probably because I spent alot of time using a valdotain when I was learning...

 

[freeweight]

only 4 wraps on what hitch??

 

[freeweight]

ok guys i gave it a shot wnr and bought 6 feet of 11.7mm rope ,and made a split taile to use with my allgear neolite....works great with either a 5/2 6/2 6/3 blakes hitch ....really like how it catches and holds


didnt know allgear make a splittail ,the bright yellow one at treestuff.com that 7/16,,thinking of gettin a new hank of neolite and neopro split tail

anyway its really easy on your hands ,i can pull with 2 fingers ontop to release the bite

for some reason same dia. rope with a blakes for me always slide a bit .....but like i said im using 1/2 neolite and 1mm hitch cord ...works great so far