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GASoline71
Mr. Nice Guy
One problem that has been addressed in Washington state is dairy and cattle farmers letting cattle overgraze near rivers and streams. Then the bovines tend to destroy a lot of riverbanks causing more silt into the river systems that destroy salmon habitat. Up here everything revolves around the stinkin' wild salmon runs. and the spotted owl out on the Olympic Peninsula. Used to be some cool bumper stickers on log trucks back in the late 80's early 90's.... "When people complain they ain't got no paper towels, they can wipe their butts with a spotted owl."
Gary
Gary
Gypo Logger
Timber Baron
Wow!, I fully expected to get hammered when I came back to this thread. lol
I think Blue Ridge put it aptly.
Once we do away with the propaganda with regard to logging and farming then we get to the truth about alot of the issues.
Farmers, like loggers have basicly creamed the more accessable and fertile areas.
I don't think either farmers nor loggers are benevolent or malevolent, we all just want to make a living, however greed is often a big factor. If farmers had not of cleared so much land then timber would be worth alot less because there would be alot more wood. That means I would have to produce alot more timber to make the same living.
I think if we all became hippies than everything would be fine! LOL
John
I think Blue Ridge put it aptly.
Once we do away with the propaganda with regard to logging and farming then we get to the truth about alot of the issues.
Farmers, like loggers have basicly creamed the more accessable and fertile areas.
I don't think either farmers nor loggers are benevolent or malevolent, we all just want to make a living, however greed is often a big factor. If farmers had not of cleared so much land then timber would be worth alot less because there would be alot more wood. That means I would have to produce alot more timber to make the same living.
I think if we all became hippies than everything would be fine! LOL
John
Blowdown1
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That is one of those no-context propaganda pieces right there. The reason there are more trees now than at the mid/turn of the last century (not 60-70 yrs ago) is because that stat was taken at the zenith of when so much land was in ag use and had been cleared (this is especially the case up in New England).
I'm not bashing ag or timber, others have made the point that both have a history of some bad practices that have been recognized. But we certainly (obviously) don't have near as much old-growth in the US as when the country was settled, and a tree farm with no variety certainly does not provide the habitat that a natural forest does. So it isn't just a matter of how many trees are out there. It is about good management and stewardship, whether it is logging, ag, or development.
Diesel JD said:
That is one of those no-context propaganda pieces right there. The reason there are more trees now than at the mid/turn of the last century (not 60-70 yrs ago) is because that stat was taken at the zenith of when so much land was in ag use and had been cleared (this is especially the case up in New England).
I'm not bashing ag or timber, others have made the point that both have a history of some bad practices that have been recognized. But we certainly (obviously) don't have near as much old-growth in the US as when the country was settled, and a tree farm with no variety certainly does not provide the habitat that a natural forest does. So it isn't just a matter of how many trees are out there. It is about good management and stewardship, whether it is logging, ag, or development.
