It is true that the Creeper and the P.I. are not as smothering as other varieties.
But they grow taller and faster than most vines or trees, and they will absolutely swarm a tree, especially the understory trees with perhaps a more dense canopy. I've seen plenty of them completely cover big junipers or eastern red cedars.
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Here's an apple tree living in relative shade. Not sure which vine, though.
But they grow taller and faster than most vines or trees, and they will absolutely swarm a tree, especially the understory trees with perhaps a more dense canopy. I've seen plenty of them completely cover big junipers or eastern red cedars.
![1718066780302.png 1718066780302.png](https://cdn.imagearchive.com/arboristsite/data/attachments/867/867437-2b3a34007070275b2ffd2dd186fe9cfe.jpg)
Here's an apple tree living in relative shade. Not sure which vine, though.