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Bar oils are a marketing tool used to sell you more products at an inflated price. Just like engine oil is recommended to be changed every 3,000 miles when the oil will actually last 2 to 3 times longer. Like me and many others who have said that they use used motor oil for decades with no issues what so ever. Everyone keeps mentioning tackifiers and sling resistance when in reality most of the oil is dragged off from the wood chips and contact with the wood.
A Stihl 20'' bar is $46.00 brand new. At $7,00 to $12,00 a gallon for bar oil. At 7 bucks a gallon you would only have to use 6 gallons to equal the cost of a new bar. Add 10 bucks for a sprocket and we are up to 7 gallons of oil to equal a bar and sprocket set. I probably run over 100 gallons of oil per bar before it needs replacing. At 7 bucks a gallon that's $700.00 in oil compared to FREE used motor oil and an occasional bar and sprocket replacement for less then 60 bucks.
I don't know about anyone else but I would rather spend my money on other things. You could buy a whole new saw for 700 bucks.
 
Hagman,
Thanks for seconding the 'old oil use' post.
I tried a paint filter, but I dont have the patience to wait for a gallon of hot oil in a drain pan to work its way into a jug. I figure if sits for a month or more its pretty much settled out.
bobmo
 
Amongst the high performance road cars I have owned are Porsche Flashbau, Alfas, XR 4x4 siera Cosworth sierra, BMW, SAAB Carlsson and Aero, and Suburu WRX. In every marque dozens, hundreds of fantasist, dreamers, narcissists liars and pseudo-scientific types, (where less polite terms are commonly used to describe them, by others) dedicate themselves to making the car 'better' than the designers and factory. Mostly they ruin car, value and too commonly ...themselves.

Vehicle manufacturers and designers have $millions if not $billions of test equipment, staff, scientists, testing personnel, road testing and other facilities...but then what would they know??..compared with the pseudo-genius' who know better...

Cars are designed to meet a range of buyer personalities types and conditions and are de-tuned from their potental, for that purpose. De-tuning does not include leaving expnsive brake calipers on the car as might be in rally/racing tests ...but uses components which make the car affordable to the target market.

Included in the design and testing is notion and experimentation in lubricants, to give good service to buyers and to protect the car. When people mess about with the marketed item they likely lose insurance and warranty....so it is with chainsaws.

If standard motor oils suited chain and bar the chainsaw makers would recommend it....The 'sticky' oil has an ongoing and reliable lubrication purpose. The costs of the oil varies, yes, and Stihl may be most expensive as it perhaps has huge R and D costs and to face many warranty claims being a major seller. Electrolux will have hard and fast rules also on lubrication. Stihl, Solo, Echo, Jonsareds for example base product-responsibility on the user's provable adherence to recommended procedures and products... as would any intelligent ,skilled, future visionary and experienced manufacturer.

Intelligence is not displayed by using vegetable oil, kerosene, diesel or used or new motor oil in place of chain/bar oil.
Before most of you (likely) were born oils were more limited but included a very sticky oil known as 'castor' oil...it worked well and contributed to an addictive smell from early racing cars. Today its viscocity would limit revs in racing engines however its sticky 'type' still has a purpose. To protest that thin oils, oils with little compression resistance and home-brew oils are as good as specialised chainaw oil is, politely put, just silly, assinine.

Apart from the oils being flung from the chain more readily than 'correct' oils ,the bar and chain will increase wear...more and more with use and the nature of timber and the 'not recommended' cutting angles but would those protesting their favorite brew really know the wear/wear rate?

Yes a manufacturer can recommend a 'thinner' to enable the saw to be ...or at least 'seem' to be working better in very cold climate but that does not indicate the thinner is a suitable lubricant. The thinner is to bring the bar oil back to its viscocity and do its job as would be in warmer climate...It will by its inclusion increase wear but it also enables adequate oil pumping...

Do you know any manufacturer which advises such as 'below -20degs "C" ..just use motor oil or your favorite brew of used or new oils, fuels and any herbs and spices you think best."....?

Buy and use correct chain oil....made to the manufacturer required standard and specs. Walk away from temptation to become one of those I listed in paragraph 1.

Voila
 
Amongst the high performance road cars I have owned are Porsche Flashbau, Alfas, XR 4x4 siera Cosworth sierra, BMW, SAAB Carlsson and Aero, and Suburu WRX. In every marque dozens, hundreds of fantasist, dreamers, narcissists liars and pseudo-scientific types, (where less polite terms are commonly used to describe them, by others) dedicate themselves to making the car 'better' than the designers and factory. Mostly they ruin car, value and too commonly ...themselves.

Vehicle manufacturers and designers have $millions if not $billions of test equipment, staff, scientists, testing personnel, road testing and other facilities...but then what would they know??..compared with the pseudo-genius' who know better...

Cars are designed to meet a range of buyer personalities types and conditions and are de-tuned from their potental, for that purpose. De-tuning does not include leaving expnsive brake calipers on the car as might be in rally/racing tests ...but uses components which make the car affordable to the target market.

Included in the design and testing is notion and experimentation in lubricants, to give good service to buyers and to protect the car. When people mess about with the marketed item they likely lose insurance and warranty....so it is with chainsaws.

If standard motor oils suited chain and bar the chainsaw makers would recommend it....The 'sticky' oil has an ongoing and reliable lubrication purpose. The costs of the oil varies, yes, and Stihl may be most expensive as it perhaps has huge R and D costs and to face many warranty claims being a major seller. Electrolux will have hard and fast rules also on lubrication. Stihl, Solo, Echo, Jonsareds for example base product-responsibility on the user's provable adherence to recommended procedures and products... as would any intelligent ,skilled, future visionary and experienced manufacturer.

Intelligence is not displayed by using vegetable oil, kerosene, diesel or used or new motor oil in place of chain/bar oil.
Before most of you (likely) were born oils were more limited but included a very sticky oil known as 'castor' oil...it worked well and contributed to an addictive smell from early racing cars. Today its viscocity would limit revs in racing engines however its sticky 'type' still has a purpose. To protest that thin oils, oils with little compression resistance and home-brew oils are as good as specialised chainaw oil is, politely put, just silly, assinine.

Apart from the oils being flung from the chain more readily than 'correct' oils ,the bar and chain will increase wear...more and more with use and the nature of timber and the 'not recommended' cutting angles but would those protesting their favorite brew really know the wear/wear rate?

Yes a manufacturer can recommend a 'thinner' to enable the saw to be ...or at least 'seem' to be working better in very cold climate but that does not indicate the thinner is a suitable lubricant. The thinner is to bring the bar oil back to its viscocity and do its job as would be in warmer climate...It will by its inclusion increase wear but it also enables adequate oil pumping...

Do you know any manufacturer which advises such as 'below -20degs "C" ..just use motor oil or your favorite brew of used or new oils, fuels and any herbs and spices you think best."....?

Buy and use correct chain oil....made to the manufacturer required standard and specs. Walk away from temptation to become one of those I listed in paragraph 1.

Voila
All I read was someone who thinks they are better and smarter than everyone else that has posted in this thread and is/was attempting to shame them into doing as he says... you sound like one of those politicians from California sad to see Australia falling down that path.
 
I always use a splash of #1 diesel or Kerosene to thin bar oil or just left the bar oil in a heat truck or skidder cab.
Summer weight year around, In the winter the bar oil rides in the truck cab next to the floor heater vent and is generally warmed up by the time we get to the job site.
 
All I read was someone who thinks they are better and smarter than everyone else that has posted in this thread and is/was attempting to shame them into doing as he says... you sound like one of those politicians from California sad to see Australia falling down that path.
Correct because my personal 20+ years of real world experience means nothing to these look down there nose elitist blowhards that drink the corporate Kool-aid and think they know best.
 
Correct because my personal 20+ years of real world experience means nothing to these look down there nose elitist blowhards that drink the corporate Kool-aid and think they know best.
The mental gymnastics one needs to go through to equate not wanting to expose oneself to a known carcinogen that doesn't work as good as drinking the corporate Kool-aide must be substantial.
 
Correct because my personal 20+ years of real world experience means nothing to these look down there nose elitist blowhards that drink the corporate Kool-aid and think they know best.
Response, yes, because I felt for you in whatever this means "elitist blowhards that drink the corporate Kool-aid and think they know best." which I presume makes sense to ...well, ....to someone out there in Texas......I feel one must try to encourage 'wannabe elitist... but always fail' introverts to engage brain before opening mouth. Chin up, youngster...
All I read was someone who thinks they are better and smarter than everyone else that has posted in this thread and is/was attempting to shame them into doing as he says... you sound like one of those politicians from California sad to see Australia falling down that path.
Normally I wouldn't have replied to your impish comment but it raised my curiosity... to find you relating me to "Australia" in your bewildering,oratory...What on earth has my rational comment on fools and lubricants to do with "Australia falling down that path"...That's as silly as it would be for me to place you (in Texas) with the recent president who claimed he is better and smarter than everyone else..in fact a genius...whilst an embarrassment to the intelligentia of the world. That would be unfair to you.

Perhaps my 'ex-contextra' target missed your point ...perhaps you had to be read in full...: "you sound like one of those politicians from California sad to see Australia falling down that path" . That was an event I obviously missed in USA...."mea culpa, mea maxima culpa...but seeing "California Politicians sad to see Australia falling down that (what???) path."...I ask....are California politicians actually interested in Australia?...or know where it is on the planet?

'Reminds me' of Dame Edna anecdotally recalling President Bush. Bear in mind that Aussies are always ready to help out their tribal brothers and sisters wherever they are. I do realise Bush was not the dill to whom I referred in para 1.

An Australian icon...on one occasion Dame Edna explained that "Little George" Bush was a bit jealous of Edna's library. “He said to he Dame , ‘How many books do you need for a library, Edna? .....Would Laura’s copy of “The Da Vinci Code” be enough?’'

Edna helped out by buying Bush an Atlas for Christmas...typically Australian generosity....

Some time later the Dame chided Bush for telephoning at 4am Australia time....he having no idea that Australia is in a different time zone from Texas...in fact Texas is 15 hours behind.....Raconteurilly ... Bush thanked the Dame for the Christmas present of a lovely Atlas....but was needing help as he could not find 'overseas' anywhere in the index. His wife had suggested looking under 'A' for 'Abroad' ..but they couldn't find that either.

Sir Les Patterson is pretty much like that too...generous to a fault....always prepared 'to give it one'...So...there you go...thank you for your so vapid response...Voila.
 
Response, yes, because I felt for you in whatever this means "elitist blowhards that drink the corporate Kool-aid and think they know best." which I presume makes sense to ...well, ....to someone out there in Texas......I feel one must try to encourage 'wannabe elitist... but always fail' introverts to engage brain before opening mouth. Chin up, youngster...

Normally I wouldn't have replied to your impish comment but it raised my curiosity... to find you relating me to "Australia" in your bewildering,oratory...What on earth has my rational comment on fools and lubricants to do with "Australia falling down that path"...That's as silly as it would be for me to place you (in Texas) with the recent president who claimed he is better and smarter than everyone else..in fact a genius...whilst an embarrassment to the intelligentia of the world. That would be unfair to you.

Perhaps my 'ex-contextra' target missed your point ...perhaps you had to be read in full...: "you sound like one of those politicians from California sad to see Australia falling down that path" . That was an event I obviously missed in USA...."mea culpa, mea maxima culpa...but seeing "California Politicians sad to see Australia falling down that (what???) path."...I ask....are California politicians actually interested in Australia?...or know where it is on the planet?

'Reminds me' of Dame Edna anecdotally recalling President Bush. Bear in mind that Aussies are always ready to help out their tribal brothers and sisters wherever they are. I do realise Bush was not the dill to whom I referred in para 1.

An Australian icon...on one occasion Dame Edna explained that "Little George" Bush was a bit jealous of Edna's library. “He said to he Dame , ‘How many books do you need for a library, Edna? .....Would Laura’s copy of “The Da Vinci Code” be enough?’'

Edna helped out by buying Bush an Atlas for Christmas...typically Australian generosity....

Some time later the Dame chided Bush for telephoning at 4am Australia time....he having no idea that Australia is in a different time zone from Texas...in fact Texas is 15 hours behind.....Raconteurilly ... Bush thanked the Dame for the Christmas present of a lovely Atlas....but was needing help as he could not find 'overseas' anywhere in the index. His wife had suggested looking under 'A' for 'Abroad' ..but they couldn't find that either.

Sir Les Patterson is pretty much like that too...generous to a fault....always prepared 'to give it one'...So...there you go...thank you for your so vapid response...Voila.
You might as well have written that in Swahili, the gringos wouldn't have understood one word of it.
 
Amongst the high performance road cars I have owned are Porsche Flashbau, Alfas, XR 4x4 siera Cosworth sierra, BMW, SAAB Carlsson and Aero, and Suburu WRX. In every marque dozens, hundreds of fantasist, dreamers, narcissists liars and pseudo-scientific types, (where less polite terms are commonly used to describe them, by others) dedicate themselves to making the car 'better' than the designers and factory. Mostly they ruin car, value and too commonly ...themselves.

Vehicle manufacturers and designers have $millions if not $billions of test equipment, staff, scientists, testing personnel, road testing and other facilities...but then what would they know??..compared with the pseudo-genius' who know better...

Cars are designed to meet a range of buyer personalities types and conditions and are de-tuned from their potental, for that purpose. De-tuning does not include leaving expnsive brake calipers on the car as might be in rally/racing tests ...but uses components which make the car affordable to the target market.

Included in the design and testing is notion and experimentation in lubricants, to give good service to buyers and to protect the car. When people mess about with the marketed item they likely lose insurance and warranty....so it is with chainsaws.

If standard motor oils suited chain and bar the chainsaw makers would recommend it....The 'sticky' oil has an ongoing and reliable lubrication purpose. The costs of the oil varies, yes, and Stihl may be most expensive as it perhaps has huge R and D costs and to face many warranty claims being a major seller. Electrolux will have hard and fast rules also on lubrication. Stihl, Solo, Echo, Jonsareds for example base product-responsibility on the user's provable adherence to recommended procedures and products... as would any intelligent ,skilled, future visionary and experienced manufacturer.

Intelligence is not displayed by using vegetable oil, kerosene, diesel or used or new motor oil in place of chain/bar oil.
Before most of you (likely) were born oils were more limited but included a very sticky oil known as 'castor' oil...it worked well and contributed to an addictive smell from early racing cars. Today its viscocity would limit revs in racing engines however its sticky 'type' still has a purpose. To protest that thin oils, oils with little compression resistance and home-brew oils are as good as specialised chainaw oil is, politely put, just silly, assinine.

Apart from the oils being flung from the chain more readily than 'correct' oils ,the bar and chain will increase wear...more and more with use and the nature of timber and the 'not recommended' cutting angles but would those protesting their favorite brew really know the wear/wear rate?

Yes a manufacturer can recommend a 'thinner' to enable the saw to be ...or at least 'seem' to be working better in very cold climate but that does not indicate the thinner is a suitable lubricant. The thinner is to bring the bar oil back to its viscocity and do its job as would be in warmer climate...It will by its inclusion increase wear but it also enables adequate oil pumping...

Do you know any manufacturer which advises such as 'below -20degs "C" ..just use motor oil or your favorite brew of used or new oils, fuels and any herbs and spices you think best."....?

Buy and use correct chain oil....made to the manufacturer required standard and specs. Walk away from temptation to become one of those I listed in paragraph 1.

Voila
The list of vehicles you have owned tells me you have never run a saw to make a living. You've read a manual whoop de doo this doesn't instantly make you knowledgeable on a subject lol
 
Response, yes, because I felt for you in whatever this means "elitist blowhards that drink the corporate Kool-aid and think they know best." which I presume makes sense to ...well, ....to someone out there in Texas......I feel one must try to encourage 'wannabe elitist... but always fail' introverts to engage brain before opening mouth. Chin up, youngster...

Normally I wouldn't have replied to your impish comment but it raised my curiosity... to find you relating me to "Australia" in your bewildering,oratory...What on earth has my rational comment on fools and lubricants to do with "Australia falling down that path"...That's as silly as it would be for me to place you (in Texas) with the recent president who claimed he is better and smarter than everyone else..in fact a genius...whilst an embarrassment to the intelligentia of the world. That would be unfair to you.

Perhaps my 'ex-contextra' target missed your point ...perhaps you had to be read in full...: "you sound like one of those politicians from California sad to see Australia falling down that path" . That was an event I obviously missed in USA...."mea culpa, mea maxima culpa...but seeing "California Politicians sad to see Australia falling down that (what???) path."...I ask....are California politicians actually interested in Australia?...or know where it is on the planet?

'Reminds me' of Dame Edna anecdotally recalling President Bush. Bear in mind that Aussies are always ready to help out their tribal brothers and sisters wherever they are. I do realise Bush was not the dill to whom I referred in para 1.

An Australian icon...on one occasion Dame Edna explained that "Little George" Bush was a bit jealous of Edna's library. “He said to he Dame , ‘How many books do you need for a library, Edna? .....Would Laura’s copy of “The Da Vinci Code” be enough?’'

Edna helped out by buying Bush an Atlas for Christmas...typically Australian generosity....

Some time later the Dame chided Bush for telephoning at 4am Australia time....he having no idea that Australia is in a different time zone from Texas...in fact Texas is 15 hours behind.....Raconteurilly ... Bush thanked the Dame for the Christmas present of a lovely Atlas....but was needing help as he could not find 'overseas' anywhere in the index. His wife had suggested looking under 'A' for 'Abroad' ..but they couldn't find that either.

Sir Les Patterson is pretty much like that too...generous to a fault....always prepared 'to give it one'...So...there you go...thank you for your so vapid response...Voila.
fortunately for everyone involved I do not live in california nor texas... and the videos of your cops going full nazi face mask brown shirt thugs is legendary on the internet. so calm down Legalis... the red headed dwarves always win in the end. that being said. your rant was just that, a social justice warrior/I am better than thee rant that was not worth the time it took to read it... BTW I own several high end cars including a 2016 Maserati.. want a video of me pulling on the wangan? owning a fast car only indicates that you and I both have deep pockets, a short attentin span and a willingness to ignore the laws...nothing more. It does not mean that either of us is any more intelligent than the rest of the folks posting here....Case in point...my favorite muse, Mark Zuckerburg. having cash does not make you smarter than anybody else.. it makes you a victim of luck and the times... both of which change swiftly.
 
I've used waste motor oil in cold winters in the past, but rarely use it anymore. Lately, used 80/90 gear oil from my outboard engines is my preference. It's very similar to bar oil.

To be sure, the engine oil worked fine. Sprockets and chain lasted just as long. But the motor oil runs through the saw faster, and sprays at higher RPM's. The gear oil is a nice alternative.
 
For me I like the dark color of use motor oil because I can see the oil splatter that lets me know the oiler is working. I also like that it's free and is a good way of putting a waste oil to one last use, because lets face it, most people do not recycle there used motor oil.
 
Bar oil around here sells for $35 to $65 for 5L.
I used to use 4-5L sometimes more a day times that by 5 days that would be around $175 a week and over 7k a year! yeah I'd have to have rocks in my head to buy "Bar oil"
The cheap not Bar oils I've used over the years performed perfectly fine never a complaint always got long life out of bars.
Now day's I test run oils through my ute for 5k just to make sure it's good enough to use as Bar oil.
 
Bar oil around here sells for $35 to $65 for 5L.
I used to use 4-5L sometimes more a day times that by 5 days that would be around $175 a week and over 7k a year! yeah I'd have to have rocks in my head to buy "Bar oil"
The cheap not Bar oils I've used over the years performed perfectly fine never a complaint always got long life out of bars.
Now day's I test run oils through my ute for 5k just to make sure it's good enough to use as Bar oil.
44 gallon drums of chain bar oil over this side of the ditch work out at about $3 per litre- not sure you could test run it in the ute though, maybe in the VK (or was it a VL?)?
 
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