Waste motor oil as bar oil

[Philbert]

I just find it amusing that the elephant in the room is being ignored

I NEVER feed my elephant used motor oil!

(But that’s just me. I also don’t let my dogs fight).

Philbert

 

[Stihl a grasshopper]

I'm sure even new bar oil is also a known carcinogen. I highly doubt using bar oil of any kind will result in breathing in any of it what so ever. Your not burning it or breathing in any vapors in any way. And how may millions of gallons of motor oil are burned or leaked away and spread everywhere from the millions of cars/truck and power equipment that is used everyday. Oil is a natural product of mother Earth. She made it and she disposes it all on her own.

Everything causes cancer in California…

 

[Bwildered]

So the potential exposure to carcinogens from the bar oil is a concern, but the carcinogens from the exhaust that we're constantly breathing and exposing everything around us to while we're running it is OK?

I mean, I don't have a dog in this fight, I just find it amusing that the elephant in the room is being ignored when talking about potential carcinogenic effects of running a saw. Which granted also has nothing to do with the original topic.

most people want to reduce their consumption of toxic things, not increase them

 

[Bwildered]

And I hate to break it to you, but any petroleum product is a carcinogen. I don’t recommend breathing, eating, or otherwise ingesting it. Regarding most: my saws have never made a mist. I check to see if the bar’s getting oil by pointing it at something to see if there’s spatter, by I don’t breathe it. What saw are you using?

I looked up a few bar oils on some materials safety data sheets and it is not carcinogenic , everybody but a few know that the exhaust gases from 2 strokes are toxic also , that is common knowledge, if you have some data that shows bar oil to be carcinogenic please share it.

 

[ken morgan]

Oh no I spelled a word wrong. Go lie down you neanderthal.

Crap at least spell nuckle dragger properly.

So the potential exposure to carcinogens from the bar oil is a concern, but the carcinogens from the exhaust that we're constantly breathing and exposing everything around us to while we're running it is OK?

I mean, I don't have a dog in this fight, I just find it amusing that the elephant in the room is being ignored when talking about potential carcinogenic effects of running a saw. Which granted also has nothing to do with the original topic.

We all gonna die sooner or later…. Cancer is just one more mechanism. He’ll even breathing O2 is bad for you on the wrong concentrations. And let’s not talk about hydrogen dioxide.

 

[arto_wa]

Somebody made a comment about putting some STP into used motor oil to improve its adherence - that is a brilliant idea! Best of both worlds- lots of free oil and you still get the improved lubricating and cooler temperatures of a high anti-strip oil.

Cutting line for surveying requires minimum downtime: (every minute costs 3 or 4 man-minutes of crew time) minimal fluid refills and chain sharpening, and pushing the bar through whatever is in the way to drop it as quickly as possible. I try to balance the bar oil feed with the gas feed so that I don’t have to make extra stops, and I use carbide-coated Oregon micro-chisel chains that will last all day between sharpening if one keeps them in the cellulose and out of the dirt. A cool chain with minimal oil works best.

It was me in post #237 and it's not used motor oil - it's used Mobilfluid 424 10W-30 hydraulic / transmission oil I was talking about!

Just trying to figure out if there is any way to put 30 gallons of it to further use since it still looks very clean?

 

[Frank Chandler]

I looked up a few bar oils on some materials safety data sheets and it is not carcinogenic , everybody but a few know that the exhaust gases from 2 strokes are toxic also , that is common knowledge, if you have some data that shows bar oil to be carcinogenic please share it.

You are free to switch to a bow saw (or a 2-man saw for big timber) at immediately if you think it will save the planet. So far I haven’t seen any solar-powered chainsaws and wind power is historically unpredictable as a method of downing trees. Handlogger Jackson preferred a double-bit axe but I never developed that technique.

 

[Stihl a grasshopper]

It was me in post #237 and it's not used motor oil - it's used Mobilfluid 424 10W-30 hydraulic / transmission oil I was talking about!

Just trying to figure out if there is any way to put 30 gallons of it to further use since it still looks very clean?

Run it in a diesel truck…

 

[OM617YOTA]

If I was still regularly driving my Yota, I'd take it off your hands. It'll eat anything.

 

[Bwildered]

You are free to switch to a bow saw (or a 2-man saw for big timber) at immediately if you think it will save the planet. So far I haven’t seen any solar-powered chainsaws and wind power is historically unpredictable as a method of downing trees. Handlogger Jackson preferred a double-bit axe but I never developed that technique.

Don’t get confused now and run off at another tangent, if you have something that shows new bar oil to be carcinogenic then I’d and many others would love to see it?

 

[Nobel Carlson]

Did you do any careful shopping for this (I didn't) or just make an assumption for the sake of argument?

That's right at $10 a gallon which is about going rate for cheaper "actual" bar oils from what I've seen. Not tryin' to shop that hard to salvage a couple bucks on a gallon of oil, that link was just the first thing I came across from a local joint and I was sharing in case anyone else was wondering about the product it

I have never used waste oil - that’s how I got into this. An old logger from Ketchikan (must have been 50! Old for a big-tree sawyer, anyway) told me 40 years ago that Texaco (now Chevron) Rock Drill Oil would double the life of my chain. That’s what I’ve used ever since,, except in emergencies. I 5-gallon can would last a season for me.

Anybody ever us Hydraulic oil as a bar oil?

 

[Yukon Stihl]

It was me in post #237 and it's not used motor oil - it's used Mobilfluid 424 10W-30 hydraulic / transmission oil I was talking about!

Just trying to figure out if there is any way to put 30 gallons of it to further use since it still looks very clean?

Do you drive an old diesel by any chance ?

 

[Dudders]

Anybody ever us Hydraulic oil as a bar oil?

I have and it seemed fine. That's oil from my sawmill (hydrostatic) and over 30 years old! Not into the carcinogenic theories myself, but I gave up using mineral oil and switched to rapeseed and bio recently as I felt bad about spraying it around the countryside. Now the weather's colder, however, I do find the stuff sticking hard to every available surface on the saw - very claggy and a right PITA to clean off. Might have to use it only in summer and revert to my remaining drum of old hydraulic for winter.

 

[arto_wa]

Do you drive an old diesel by any chance ?

Yes old & new and have considered it but decided not to burn it in my Diesel engines - it's not worth the risk in my opinion.
The injectors and fuel pumps are expensive to rebuild to take a chance and they already get Opti-Lube for lubrication.

In my case the choices are either chainsaw bar oil use, or taking it to used oil recycling place.

 

[OM617YOTA]

Yes old & new and have considered it but decided not to burn it in my Diesel engines - it's not worth the risk in my opinion.
The injectors and fuel pumps are expensive to rebuild to take a chance and they already get Opti-Lube for lubrication.

In my case the choices are either chainsaw bar oil use, or taking it to used oil recycling place.

Definitely hear you there. An awful lot could go wrong that would make you wish you'd just spent $100 on diesel at the pump.

I upgraded the filtration on my truck. I have a Racor 30 micron water block primary filter, followed by a CAT 2 micron secondary. I'd run it in mine without any concerns, but definitely not if I had stock filtration. You're even in SW WA, and I'm in NW OR, too bad I'm not driving the Yota anymore.

 

[Nobel Carlson]

I have and it seemed fine. That's oil from my sawmill (hydrostatic) and over 30 years old! Not into the carcinogenic theories myself, but I gave up using mineral oil and switched to rapeseed and bio recently as I felt bad about spraying it around the countryside. Now the weather's colder, however, I do find the stuff sticking hard to every available surface on the saw - very claggy and a right PITA to clean off. Might have to use it only in summer and revert to my remaining drum of old hydraulic for winter.

Thanks, I have some fresh oil I will use.

 

[Yukon Stihl]

Yes old & new and have considered it but decided not to burn it in my Diesel engines - it's not worth the risk in my opinion.
The injectors and fuel pumps are expensive to rebuild to take a chance and they already get Opti-Lube for lubrication.

In my case the choices are either chainsaw bar oil use, or taking it to used oil recycling place.

If it gets filtered it will inprove the life of old diesel injectors and pumps. Old being pre sulphur free diesel so mid 90's

 

[ballisticdoughnut]

Crap at least spell nuckle dragger properly.

You mean knuckle? I'm gonna go ahead and assume your trolling me at this point.

 

[ken morgan]

You mean knuckle? I'm gonna go ahead and assume your trolling me at this point.

ah whats a few misspellings between forum mates?

 

[thill]

This reminds me of the hot debates about which trailer axle grease is best. Some swear by red and tacky, others only use this $$$ brand or that, others use Walmart's SuperTech, and all have good success with each.

"Grease is cheaper than steel." It seems to me that as long as the bar stays oily, things will wear less than if it's running dry, regardless of what particular oil you are using.

Used motor oil is thinner, and auto lubes more liberally, so it seems to auto-correct for it's lesser lubricating properties. I've never had any problems with it, but I find it slightly annoying that I have to fill up more with it. I'm really happy with using used gear oil, and now I'm going to start using hydraulic fluid, too.

As far as used engine oil, I get way more than I can ever run through a saw. We run multiple vehicles, tractors, ATV's, splitters, pressure washers, tractors, mowers and more. I've been giving most of my used oil to my local auto mechanic, but I'm considering buying a waste oil furnace like he has. They keep their shop nice and toasty, and it costs them nothing. I just need to find one cheap enough.