As far as the bundles go - i'm under the assumption that when wholesaling wood to retailers, you don't have collect or charge sales tax, and therefore don't have to acquire a retailing license. Also, Many time i think Firewood dealers (at least in my area) are fine not collecting sales tax because they are selling the wood as a "farm product". (e.g. you wouldn't have to charge sales tax if you were selling a horse).
Weights and measures called me today
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arlen
Me and my wife at Wild Amimal Park San Diego
I have enjoyed reading the responses.
It sounds like most of the members that sell wood do it " under the table " ?
:monkey: David
It sounds like most of the members that sell wood do it " under the table " ?
:monkey: David
windthrown
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Yah, labeling wood by volume for sale is an issue in all the western states. Most US states for that matter require selling firewood in units of a cord, and if small bundled, then in units of cubic feet and meters. Not so much for tax purposes, but for unit measure. No ricks, face cords, PU loads, or that types of stuff. Too many people get ripped off for short cords. A cord of wood is 4x4x8 cubic feet, wood and space between included if stacked.
In CA (I lived there for 30 years), it is up to the seller to report sales and send in the sales tax. Looks like Arnie wants another 'temporary' 1% sales tax boost to balance the CA state budget. On top of 7 or 8% already... like they will not spend that and want even more in a few years.
OR still has no sales tax. High booze and gas tax though. And income tax. And property tax. :jawdrop:
In CA (I lived there for 30 years), it is up to the seller to report sales and send in the sales tax. Looks like Arnie wants another 'temporary' 1% sales tax boost to balance the CA state budget. On top of 7 or 8% already... like they will not spend that and want even more in a few years.
OR still has no sales tax. High booze and gas tax though. And income tax. And property tax. :jawdrop:
oneoldbanjo
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How do you specify an "exact" measurement on a product that is not an exact size? I think it woudl be really difficult to assemble a few pieces of wood into exactly "1 cubic foot" bundles. Even if you decided to weigh each bundle that number would change as it sat in the sun and dried.
Maybe selling "6 PIECES OF WOOD" in each bundle would be easier....everyone can count and the only way it would change is if one piece fell out!
Maybe selling "6 PIECES OF WOOD" in each bundle would be easier....everyone can count and the only way it would change is if one piece fell out!
aint it the truth---were from the gov, and we are here to help you--ya huh...........Wow, another lets take a swing at the most underpaid overworked crowd
in our industry. I would bet it is the big operators with the processors
complaining. I don't sell it hardly ever, don't advertise to sell it and I
may not ever sell a stick, because; it does not pay. They say crime
don't pay but every time I hear that, I think of the White House
and go, yeah rightThis is proof we have paid in too many
taxes, they have too many dept's set up today. The gimmie people,
gimmie this or we will take that, mean while we let illegals steal
your work and not pay a dime and give them free health care.
They need a friggin wake up call they are supposed to be
working for us
What I would do is look at what other companies are selling in large chain stores. The large stores would require the proper labeling, etc.
Then use that size for your bundle labeling.
Do the math...
Buy a competitor's bundle, get a tub of water filled with water as high as the bundle of wood. Stick wood in water. Measure new height of water. Then ask your kid how to figure out the cubic feet based on the difference of water levels.
Then do the same with your wood. Just be sure to have a little more in each bundle than the stated amount. Maybe spot check a bundle every now and then to be sure your bundles are *over* the stated amount.
avalancher
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I wouldnt have it any other way. If I ever get caught then I am done selling wood if I have to go the route of permits and declaring the income. When you think of it, 25 percent is going to go to uncle sam in income tax. If you sell your wood for 200 bucks a cord, that is 50 right off the bat to uncle Sam. That is a lot of wood to chunk just to hand over to the greedy :censored: govenment so that they can hand it over to some clown that doesnt want to work.
Not to mention the paperwork and uncle sam peering over your shoulder every day of your life.
windthrown
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More than 25%... there is also federal self employment tax which is another 15%. And any state income tax (if they have that there).
A HUGE reason I no longer have my own service business is self employment tax. Paying that just really sucked... big time.
A HUGE reason I no longer have my own service business is self employment tax. Paying that just really sucked... big time.
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been curious how the conversation turned out.
been curious how the conversation turned out.
arlen
Me and my wife at Wild Amimal Park San Diego
I got a 4 page letter that explained how to measure wood it gave some math formulas. It told me the weight had to be exact [not like contains 3/4 to 1 cubic foot ] It stated that the measurement had to be in cubic feet and fraction of a cubic meter. It stated the size of the print. If I put down Dave's firewood I would have to provide my phone number and address unless they could look me up in the yellow pages. I can't locate the letter right now I will look for it later if you wanted once I located it I could scan it in as an attachment and post it ? I haven't sold any wood since the weights and measures guy contacted me. I haven't been contacted by weights and measures since I was sent the letter. I was thinking of repackaging the bundles again with a new label i have about 200 bundled at the moment sitting in a trailer. David:monkey:
KsWoodsMan
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I don't know that I need to see the letter.
But, WoW ! 4 pages of it describing what they required. I dont know that it would have to be exact. So long as it was no less than the stated volume. Check with the weights and measures guy before proceeding but I'm sure that as long as you meet your states guidelines for the packaging label and the customer isnt getting shorted how can they come after you ?
If each bundle has to be exact then forget it. A pound of bread states that it is 454 or 455 grams but a pound is actually 453.3453 grams. Nobody complains that they are getting more than they pay for. I would complain about somebody pinching off some to get it exact or pinches being added in the bag to get it up to par.
Any Idea how close the bundles are to being right ? Was his concern that they weren't labeled correctly or that they didn't meet the minimum of the stated volume of wood on the label ?
Figure out how big they are and re-label them correctly, if permissible. He might not have a problem with them being relabeled correctly.
Permatex makes a spray on adhesive that sticks better than gorilla snot, called "Spray Tack". It's available at Wal-Mart in the automotive section. It gets used among other things, to re-glue headliners in cars and hold up strapless tops on models. A few cans of this to spray on the back of the new labels and place the new label over the old one. Or reach in with a hooked wire to remove old label, then apply new label.
Hope it works out for you, if you still want it to.
But, WoW ! 4 pages of it describing what they required. I dont know that it would have to be exact. So long as it was no less than the stated volume. Check with the weights and measures guy before proceeding but I'm sure that as long as you meet your states guidelines for the packaging label and the customer isnt getting shorted how can they come after you ?
If each bundle has to be exact then forget it. A pound of bread states that it is 454 or 455 grams but a pound is actually 453.3453 grams. Nobody complains that they are getting more than they pay for. I would complain about somebody pinching off some to get it exact or pinches being added in the bag to get it up to par.
Any Idea how close the bundles are to being right ? Was his concern that they weren't labeled correctly or that they didn't meet the minimum of the stated volume of wood on the label ?
Figure out how big they are and re-label them correctly, if permissible. He might not have a problem with them being relabeled correctly.
Permatex makes a spray on adhesive that sticks better than gorilla snot, called "Spray Tack". It's available at Wal-Mart in the automotive section. It gets used among other things, to re-glue headliners in cars and hold up strapless tops on models. A few cans of this to spray on the back of the new labels and place the new label over the old one. Or reach in with a hooked wire to remove old label, then apply new label.
Hope it works out for you, if you still want it to.
ropensaddle
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That is what happens when they put educated idiots in charge,
too much education but no common sense is a real problem in
today's world. They over anal ize everything the doodle bug
society as I call them, prolly never worked an honest day in their life!
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