whadja do today?

[outofmytree]

I do leave log piles for routed retrieval from time to time, it works better then to have the extra truck and man to haul out a couple of ton of wood.

We do this from time to time with palms. I can sell woodchips at a good profit but palms produce an awful mess and no one wants that mulch. We take it to greens recycling which is way cheaper than tipping but is only open on weekends. So we have Palm Friday every week! Sometimes I will do a job on a Thursday and chip the hard woods and leave the palms stacked on the verge. Once I have sold the good mulch we go back on Friday and chip the palm junk.

 

[pdqdl]

... I've got a good crotch to lower everything directly to the the roof. I'll have a man up there to throw it throw it off the roof. The plan is to lower all the brush to the roof in small pieces. I'll have to rope everything pretty much off of itself and not swing anything. I'll false crotch a lot of it then block a few pieces of the spar. What you can't see is the service drop in the back. Not in the way too bad as far as lowering limbs but I will have to work the spar down a little to clear it.

You should consider speed lines for that! Once you try it, you never go back until you have to.

I used to think of speed lines as some exotic setup to carry heavy logs and brush from the back yard out to the truck. Not so! Their best use is to divert the lowered branches 15-30 feet to the side to miss obstructions or get over the fence quickly. Attach to log, clip speed line to lowering point, groundie tensions line, and zoom! The branch is on the ground with no dents in anything you didn't want hit.

Using two lines, you can control both speed of descent and the direction it follows.

I have found that lowering branches down to the roof is a pain, You need a groundie to control the branch, one on the roof to catch the branch, and then you are stuck up in the tree waiting for them to process the whole thing. Raise the rope, rig again, ...start over again.

Using speed lines, I get the man off the roof (eliminating the risk of poking holes in the roof and fall injuries) and I can begin rigging the next cut faster because the groundmen are not tied up as long. Usually, you can rig several branches from one anchor point, so you don't spend quite as much time moving your speedline, either.

 

[outofmytree]

You should consider speed lines for that! Once you try it, you never go back until you have to.

I used to think of speed lines as some exotic setup to carry heavy logs and brush from the back yard out to the truck. Not so! Their best use is to divert the lowered branches 15-30 feet to the side to miss obstructions or get over the fence quickly. Attach to log, clip speed line to lowering point, groundie tensions line, and zoom! The branch is on the ground with no dents in anything you didn't want hit.

Using two lines, you can control both speed of descent and the direction it follows.

I have found that lowering branches down to the roof is a pain, You need a groundie to control the branch, one on the roof to catch the branch, and then you are stuck up in the tree waiting for them to process the whole thing. Raise the rope, rig again, ...start over again.

Using speed lines, I get the man off the roof (eliminating the risk of poking holes in the roof and fall injuries) and I can begin rigging the next cut faster because the groundmen are not tied up as long. Usually, you can rig several branches from one anchor point, so you don't spend quite as much time moving your speedline, either.

I love speedlines too!

We did most of this puppy with relayed speedlines. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrgFVa93ljE

Anchor at the base of the tree, run the line up to a decent high point on the main trunk, through one pulley there, out to the limb you work on, second pulley there, down to the destination anchor (skid steer loader). This way you can get up close to the work, speed em down, drive the loader in to create slack, attach the next piece, then drive back out to crate tension. Fast, safe and the ground crew love it when the branches land within feet of the chipper apron butt first!

The best part of using a relay is spreading the load across 2 or more points means you can climb higher and have no fear of the speedline anchor point tearing out. I have had one and only one tear out on a rigging anchor point. Never again!

 

[ropensaddle]

You should consider speed lines for that! Once you try it, you never go back until you have to.

I used to think of speed lines as some exotic setup to carry heavy logs and brush from the back yard out to the truck. Not so! Their best use is to divert the lowered branches 15-30 feet to the side to miss obstructions or get over the fence quickly. Attach to log, clip speed line to lowering point, groundie tensions line, and zoom! The branch is on the ground with no dents in anything you didn't want hit.

Using two lines, you can control both speed of descent and the direction it follows.

I have found that lowering branches down to the roof is a pain, You need a groundie to control the branch, one on the roof to catch the branch, and then you are stuck up in the tree waiting for them to process the whole thing. Raise the rope, rig again, ...start over again.

Using speed lines, I get the man off the roof (eliminating the risk of poking holes in the roof and fall injuries) and I can begin rigging the next cut faster because the groundmen are not tied up as long. Usually, you can rig several branches from one anchor point, so you don't spend quite as much time moving your speedline, either.

Yeah I made a home made one but want a bunch of loop runners and biners. I still am somewhat leery of there use over roofs on account of inadequate tension problems and seem slower to me. What they make a big difference on imo is nothing around the base of my tree. They wont be slower when I get enough loops and biners though. I need to get a madson's ropealong lol



Ps: I want about twenty loops and biners too bad they were not a only dollar. Everything is over priced in our business imho.

 

[Job Corps Tree]

whadja do today

I use 2 pulleys for a Block and Tackel 4 to 1 advantage, quick release( for grounding the limb), loop runners can be loop of webbing or just good rope. you can use sky line for a haul-back line and save on runners

 

[ropensaddle]

I use 2 pulleys for a Block and Tackel 4 to 1 advantage, quick release( for grounding the limb), loop runners can be loop of webbing or just good rope. you can use sky line for a haul-back line and save on runners

Unfortunately I am a one block man I am using some blue streak on five biners but I don't really want to haul back unless I have twenty limbs sailed down, by then I will be ready for a break lol I may have to spring for another pully do you like the self locking kind or just a good pulley my block will be at the fixed object end I suppose.

 

[tree md]

Hmm... Hadn't considered a speed line. I might take another look and see if I can't use one for the limbs. I do use them sometimes and have everything I need to do it. My main concern on this one is keeping everything on the house side of the tree and not allowing anything to swing over to the side where the power lines are at. Really pretty simple to do that as most of the tree is hanging right over the safety zone.

I'm a one block guy too Rope. I had two but let Quinn keep one to use with his GRCS when he bought it. He had more use for it than I did at that point. And he was slaying some trees for me back then. I need to get another one. I hope to get a GRCS this year as well if work picks up enough and I get caught up on my bills. Wish I would have got one back when Quinn did, when I had the money. At that point he had the GRCS and was working it and I was doing the crane jobs. We were moving some timber back then.

 

[Job Corps Tree]

whatdja do today

for the most part i just clip the Steel Biners to the rope using pulleys is Fast but you can run on a Biner a bit slower but it will run
the main thing is watch how much side pull you have on the tree

 

[tree md]

for the most part i just clip the Steel Biners to the rope using pulleys is Fast but you can run on a Biner a bit slower but it will run
the main thing is watch how much side pull you have on the tree

I use the captive eye biners with loop runners.

 

[ropensaddle]

for the most part i just clip the Steel Biners to the rope using pulleys is Fast but you can run on a Biner a bit slower but it will run
the main thing is watch how much side pull you have on the tree

I meant in your 4 to 1 setup do you like the self locking pully midline or just standard and porty to keep progress?
Or just a half wrap against trunk if I were on the ground is likely what I would do but groundies do vary. I can stop a train with one wrap lol it seems all the other men I see get too many wraps which causes binding and of course shock loads the rope and ropen lol

 

[pdqdl]

I think that pulling the speedline tight with loaders, GRCS, or pulleys is over-rated. Sure, a tight line is great for eliminating excessive droop, but it also loads down the TIP quite a bit more.

I just have my guys pull the line tight by hand, then hold the slack with our port-a-wrap. Easy and fast, and they can slack the line easily when the branch comes down. The POW keeps the load from ever getting too heavy for one man to control, too.

Using the skid steer to tension the speedline doesn't sound to productive to me: that operator is not doing much if he is sitting in a machine. The machine isn't doing too much either if it is just holding a rope.

If a branch is so heavy that too much drop to clear an obstruction is anticipated, I will add a normal lowering line to hold it, as though the speed line was not even there. Then as you lower the load with the stronger setup, the speedline directs it away from whatever you were over. Nice and slow and controlled. If things are so close that you can't have any sag in the line...perhaps you should cut smaller pieces?

I like these carabiners for speedlines: pretty strong and they shouldn't wear out too quick: http://www.sherrilltree.com/Professional-Gear/Accessory-Non-locking-/Carabiner-285

Lighter branches I just send down with no roller on a much cheaper carabiner: http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=21358&catID=9643

The cheap carabiners don't slide down the rope as easy, but that's usually not that important. I suppose someday I will really need to pull the speedline real tight, but I have gotten by so many years without any speedlines at all, what I am doing now seems plenty good enough.

 

[ropensaddle]

I think that pulling the speedline tight with loaders, GRCS, or pulleys is over-rated. Sure, a tight line is great for eliminating excessive droop, but it also loads down the TIP quite a bit more.

I just have my guys pull the line tight by hand, then hold the slack with our port-a-wrap. Easy and fast, and they can slack the line easily when the branch comes down. The POW keeps the load from ever getting too heavy for one man to control, too.

Using the skid steer to tension the speedline doesn't sound to productive to me: that operator is not doing much if he is sitting in a machine. The machine isn't doing too much either if it is just holding a rope.

If a branch is so heavy that too much drop to clear an obstruction is anticipated, I will add a normal lowering line to hold it, as though the speed line was not even there. Then as you lower the load with the stronger setup, the speedline directs it away from whatever you were over. Nice and slow and controlled. If things are so close that you can't have any sag in the line...perhaps you should cut smaller pieces?

I like these carabiners for speedlines: pretty strong and they shouldn't wear out too quick: http://www.sherrilltree.com/Professional-Gear/Accessory-Non-locking-/Carabiner-285

Lighter branches I just send down with no roller on a much cheaper carabiner: http://www.baileysonline.com/itemdetail.asp?item=21358&catID=9643

The cheap carabiners don't slide down the rope as easy, but that's usually not that important. I suppose someday I will really need to pull the speedline real tight, but I have gotten by so many years without any speedlines at all, what I am doing now seems plenty good enough.

That roller looks pretty slick but 29 bucks I mean wow your a high roller lol:monkey:

 

[pdqdl]

Ps: I want about twenty loops and biners too bad they were not a only dollar. Everything is over priced in our business imho.

You really don't need that many loops. It's not real practical to carry more than 10 of them up a tree at any time; your belt gets pretty busy with stuff hanging all over.

Make 4-5 cuts, groundies are busy, they collect loops as they go. You are still rigging, cut 3-4 more. Take a break as you are setting the last couple or moving to the next area, "SEND ME SOME MORE LOOPS!"

They send up another mess of loops, and you reward them by chasing them back with a couple more branches coming down the speedline.

 

[ropensaddle]

You really don't need that many loops. It's not real practical to carry more than 10 of them up a tree at any time; your belt gets pretty busy with stuff hanging all over.

Make 4-5 cuts, groundies are busy, they collect loops as they go. You are still rigging, cut 3-4 more. Take a break as you are setting the last couple or moving to the next area, "SEND ME SOME MORE LOOPS!"

They send up another mess of loops, and you reward them by chasing them back with a couple more branches coming down the speedline.

Lol but I only have five and one groundie lol

 

[talltreeclimber]

Today We removed a big sugar maple. I removed it and the guys cleaned it up.

yeah thanks that was nice of you made a nice mess haha

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

I took my Dad in to have his pace-maker replaced, and spent an hour with my algebra tutor. No it's not a she, it's a 59 year old career submariner who still wears khaki pants. Navy lifers

 

[pdqdl]

Lol but I only have five and one groundie lol

Well Geez! You only need five more loops & 'biners then. With only one groundie, you will really need speedlines. How would he/she hold a rope and pull something off the roof at the same time?

 

[ropensaddle]

Well Geez! You only need five more loops & 'biners then. With only one groundie, you will really need speedlines. How would he/she hold a rope and pull something off the roof at the same time?

Lol because ole rope knows how to do it lol I wrap up there and lower to him:monkey:
Sometimes I employ a transfer line as well but mostly I lower I will do a video of it some time lol!

 

[mojorisin]

Cut down some trees for firewood and busted the trigger on my 262. If it's not fixed in the morning I have to use the 350 tomorrow. I did some chipping as well. They are talking snow showers tonite but tomorrow looks wood cutter friendly. I hope......

 

[outofmytree]

I think that pulling the speedline tight with loaders, GRCS, or pulleys is over-rated. Sure, a tight line is great for eliminating excessive droop, but it also loads down the TIP quite a bit more.

I just have my guys pull the line tight by hand, then hold the slack with our port-a-wrap. Easy and fast, and they can slack the line easily when the branch comes down. The POW keeps the load from ever getting too heavy for one man to control, too.

Using the skid steer to tension the speedline doesn't sound to productive to me: that operator is not doing much if he is sitting in a machine. The machine isn't doing too much either if it is just holding a rope.

I guess I didnt explain to well. The skid steer is a walk behind and it goes to to supply as much tension as required then the operator turns it off. 750kg makes a good safe anchor with no people to get hit or hurt if it goes pear shaped. I have used fixed anchors like other trees, live anchors like groundcrew and the skid steer. I prefer the latter but there is more than 1 way to skin that cat!