what split tail do you guys like

[alloutdoorsboy]

hey there, I need to change my climbing system and feel like I should try a split tail system and was thinking about getting a beeline, anybody have any strong feelings on whats best????

thanks Paul

 

[lawmart]

Not to sound cheap, but what ever i have a piece of at the time just as long as it is not the same rope , i think i have about 4 going right now what ever suites the mode iam in. i run a busssness so you have to keep the cost down.

Lawmart

Play safe

 

[TheTreeSpyder]

3/8" Tenex; lays flat to be less leveraged weakness and grips more.

 

[frodo]

1/2'' or 3/8''

Not to sound cheap, but what ever i have a piece of at the time just as long as it is not the same rope , i think i have about 4 going right now what ever suites the mode iam in. i run a business so you have to keep the cost down.

Lawmart

Play safe

is it alright to use the same size rope for your split tail and your climbing line?

 

[Magnum783]

This depend upon what sort of hitch you desire to use. Are you use a double eyed tress style hitch or are you using a single rope type hitch like a blakes, or tautline. If you are using a tress style you need to use at least 1/8" smaller, if you are using a single rope you can use the same size as your climbing line. I use a tress style called the marting with icetail.
Jared

 

[beowulf343]

I use a tress style called the marting with icetail.

Marting or Martin aka Michoacan?

 

[Fireaxman]

Not to sound cheap, but what ever i have a piece of at the time just as long as it is not the same rope , i think i have about 4 going right now what ever suites the mode iam in. i run a busssness so you have to keep the cost down.

Lawmart

Play safe

Be Careful! I grabbed a piece of 3/8 kernmantle one time and burned it very nearly in half before I made it to the ground.

I went from there to the Beeline for the heat resistance and did not like it because it was too slick. Tried the Tenex and like it, but it wore out pretty quickly in my Martin (aka Michoacan). I keep coming back to the 3/8 Sta-Set. It is readily available down here from West Marine or almost any marine supply store, it seems to have just the right friction coefficient for my weight and style, and it is very durable. It starts to get a little slick from glazing before any of the strands start to melt or break, and it gives you plenty of warning before it gets slick enough to be dangerous. I can usually get it pretty cheap if I look for "Remnants" at the marine supply stores, but it lasts long enough that it wont break the bank even if I have to pay full price.

Split Tail is a pretty critical part of your system. Is it really the place to scrimp and save?

 

[Magnum783]

Split Tail is a pretty critical part of your system. Is it really the place to scrimp and save?[/QUOTE]

True, good thinking.
Jared

 

[BostonBull]

I am on NE Ropes Sta-Set right now and it is too grabby for me.

I LOVE Vectran. I used up my last one and Nick is in the process of making me more. Cant wait to get back to it. 3/8" just under 20,000lbs and 900-1200* melting point depending on which particular variation you get.

With a Michoacan of course.

On a side note Martin Morales, the inventor of the MICHOACAN, stressed he wanted this hitch called a Michoacan and not a Martin because he wanted no notoriety from it. We should respect his request!

 

[Magnum783]

BB I had no idea sorry I will correct that and spell it wrong in my following posts. I feel quite bad for I had no idea.
Jared

 

[Sassafras]

BB where are you gettin vectran from i would love to get some.
Also the michoacan i have never seen this hitch kinda looks like a half inverted distel i am going to try it tomorrow is the pictur tied correctly?
In response to the origonal post i think 8 mm bee line is the cats meow tress tied hitch.

 

[ropensaddle]

I am on NE Ropes Sta-Set right now and it is too grabby for me.

I LOVE Vectran. I used up my last one and Nick is in the process of making me more. Cant wait to get back to it. 3/8" just under 20,000lbs and 900-1200* melting point depending on which particular variation you get.

With a Michoacan of course.

On a side note Martin Morales, the inventor of the MICHOACAN, stressed he wanted this hitch called a Michoacan and not a Martin because he wanted no notoriety from it. We should respect his request!

I would not want notoriety either as a lot of those knots were from
not remembering taught line and tied by accident I have tied the blake
before was called that as well as the Martin. Well at least before I knew
they had a name and use a noose quite often for a throw weight does
that mean I am a hangman?

Now as far as a split tail I prefer them to be no more than
130 lbs and have good curves but that is just me!

 

[046]

preference for split tail w/blakes hitch is new england safety blue in a different color as main line.

different colors in not necessary, but helps keep lines sorted out.
I'll buy rope in short lengths especially for spit tails. I like larger friction knots, which gives a larger margin of error from overheating.

 

[BostonBull]

I would not want notoriety either as a lot of those knots were from
not remembering taught line and tied by accident

I would have to disagree. I think the different hitches were born from wanting more. Neccesity is the mother of invention!

Stop trolling.

 

[BostonBull]

BB where are you gettin vectran from i would love to get some.
Also the michoacan i have never seen this hitch kinda looks like a half inverted distel i am going to try it tomorrow is the pictur tied correctly?
In response to the origonal post i think 8 mm bee line is the cats meow tress tied hitch.

I got my first few from "house" (Michale Tain), this last set I am waiting for is from Nick. I will tell you how they look when they come. Should be this week or next.

 

[NickfromWI]

I LOVE Vectran. I used up my last one and Nick is in the process of making me more. Cant wait to get back to it. 3/8" just under 20,000lbs and 900-1200* melting point depending on which particular variation you get.

They are on the way!

I use either beeline or HRC, both in 5/16 size...in an eye-eye configuration usually about 29" long.

love
nick

 

[moray]

For the last few weeks I have been using one I made from IceTail (5/16"). I like the small diameter and I think it performs slightly better than the 3/8" Tenex I had been using. It works perfectly with a 4-wrap knot, whereas the Tenex often seemed to need a 5-wrap knot. But Tenex is easier to splice...

 

[ropensaddle]

I would have to disagree. I think the different hitches were born from wanting more. Neccesity is the mother of invention!

Stop trolling.

Sorry there bull but when I was fresh I remember
tying all those and more for not quite remembering taught line and being
a foreman for twenty years have seen it again. I am not saying I doubt
ya, just have tied all of them before knowing the names of them or before
they had names I don't use a split tail as I use a snap with a figure 8 for
rescue purposes, old school yes, but has got it done for a very long time
so don't quite understand the necessity being the issue. I have thought
of using one but there is nothing wrong with simple and snap tied with
stationary bowline and figure 8 on tail is as simple as it gets and a taught
line hitch is the only brake I seem to use or get!

 

[clearance]

Sorry there bull but when I was fresh I remember
tying all those and more for not quite remembering taught line and being
a foreman for twenty years have seen it again. I am not saying I doubt
ya, just have tied all of them before knowing the names of them or before
they had names I don't use a split tail as I use a snap with a figure 8 for
rescue purposes, old school yes, but has got it done for a very long time
so don't quite understand the necessity being the issue. I have thought
of using one but there is nothing wrong with simple and snap tied with
stationary bowline and figure 8 on tail is as simple as it gets and a taught
line hitch is the only brake I seem to use or get!

Bowline tied to a snap, tautline with the tail and a figure eight to back it. Works just fine for me, if it ain't broke, why fix it? Ropensaddle is right.

 

[Fireaxman]

... Also the michoacan i have never seen this hitch kinda looks like a half inverted distel i am going to try it tomorrow is the pictur tied correctly? ...

TreeCo ties the knot correctly of course - but you may have to play a little bit with the number of wraps above the closing hitch according to your weight, climbing style, and the kind of rope you are using. With 3/8 Stay-Set on 1/2" Arbormaster I use 4 wraps above the closing hitch rather than the three TreeCo shows, but I like a firm hitch. Stay-Set on 1/2" Arbor-Plex I use 3 wraps with a new split tale but go to 4 when it gets a little glazed.