What variety of little tree is this, and where's it from?

[ForTheArborist]

The story on this tree is that it buds healthy and flush leaves, and then it's leaves wrinkle up like you can see. This goes on year in and out. The thing is just 10 ft tall and 10 ft wide. At first it looked like a desert or semi-desert plant and not so much a tree, but it's certainly a tree.

My first thought about this tree was that it is not from a mediterranean climate like the one here in San Diego County. If it were a medi plant, it would have some means of presenting its leaves in this climate all year around. The leaves are smooth on the edges, so it's not coming from a cold climate either. My guess is it is from a hot, wet climate where it's leaves can keep their health in the moisture unlike in the arid climate here, and the ground is much more fertile. The roots on this tree are watered regularly, so there's no lack of that.

If the tree doesn't have a disease, I thought its roots can use a soil aeration with a healthy layer of compost mixed in there for the microbial action towards its roots to find out if that can feed it back to full health.

The H.O. mentioned removing it, but I said I want to find out what I can about it before we agree with that course of action. I'd much rather see if I can get the best from the tree instead of give it a quick snip, and drag the whole thing to the truck in one piece.

Does anybody have a descent take on this one?

 

[treemandan]

Is it basil? oregano?

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Sucking insects and mites can do that. Pesticide overspray/drift can express something like that, tough you often see a parallel venation.

I don't suppose you have cold snaps down there, I've seen some plants marginal for our zone act like that even if it does not freeze, they just leaf out too early for what they can tolerate.

 

[treeclimber101]

The story on this tree is that it buds healthy and flush leaves, and then it's leaves wrinkle up like you can see. This goes on year in and out. The thing is just 10 ft tall and 10 ft wide. At first it looked like a desert or semi-desert plant and not so much a tree, but it's certainly a tree.

My first thought about this tree was that it is not from a mediterranean climate like the one here in San Diego County. If it were a medi plant, it would have some means of presenting its leaves in this climate all year around. The leaves are smooth on the edges, so it's not coming from a cold climate either. My guess is it is from a hot, wet climate where it's leaves can keep their health in the moisture unlike in the arid climate here, and the ground is much more fertile. The roots on this tree are watered regularly, so there's no lack of that.

If the tree doesn't have a disease, I thought its roots can use a soil aeration with a healthy layer of compost mixed in there for the microbial action towards its roots to find out if that can feed it back to full health.

The H.O. mentioned removing it, but I said I want to find out what I can about it before we agree with that course of action. I'd much rather see if I can get the best from the tree instead of give it a quick snip, and drag the whole thing to the truck in one piece.

Does anybody have a descent take on this one?

Call Jeff , and leave the work to the pro's..

 

[pdqdl]

Leave poor ol' FTA alone. He's not hurting anybody. It's a fair question.

On the other hand, technical questions like this belong in Arborist 101. That's where the folks hang out that LIKE to answer those questions.

Commercial Tree care & climbing is where you go to post your stories or (most recently) pick fights with all the other huge ego's.

 

[ozarktreeman]

Leave poor ol' FTA alone. He's not hurting anybody. It's a fair question.

On the other hand, technical questions like this belong in Arborist 101. That's where the folks hang out that LIKE to answer those questions.

Commercial Tree care & climbing is where you go to post your stories or (most recently) pick fights with all the other huge ego's.

:sword::kilt::computer2::love1::smoking:

 

[pdqdl]

I have only been to San Diego once, and I coudn't identify anything there. So I am unqualified.

Tree id comes first in any plant problem solution. Identifying some leaves that only show pathological changes makes it really tough, even if you are familiar with the plant.

Pic's should show:

1. Single leaf (healthy, if possible) with veining visible. Both sides of the same leaf are ideal.
2. Leaf arrangement on the stem. This is critical to getting a good id if the leaves are anything but easy to identify. Norway maple=super easy, one pic will do. That thing you posted: more pic's!
3. Bark, trunk, closeup of buds, fruit, seeds, flowers, or sometimes the entire plant. These are often telling features to figuring out which plant is under consideration.

Once you got the ID down, now we need to know what season the problem is observed, what the recent weather has been, and what the cultural considerations like soil, sunlight, irrigation/moisture conditions, and the immediate environment are, and how you came to observe those conditions.

After that, someone that knows the key information can pick up and run with it. Really, you didn't give us enough to work with.

 

[jomoco]

Even the rankest amateur gardner in San Diego could recognize FTA's bush as a myroporum heavily infested with psyllid.

FTA is too lazy to buy a friggin sunset western garden book and study it to learn a dang thing about arboriculture, preferring to beg for very basic tree knowledge here online.

I don't feel sorry for him in the least, but I do pity his customers/victims.

Go to South Western Community College and take Arb 101 FTA, so you can actually learn enough not to embarrass yourself online anymore yu cheapskate.

Join the SD PTCA so you can rub elbows with folks who actually know trees.

jomoco

 

[pdqdl]

I thought you might jump in here with an answer.

I kinda thought it might a bug problem, especially with the several times a year thing. It looked more like a growth issue too, since it was on the ends of the branches.

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OK. FTA probably isn't the most popular guy around here. Beating folks on the head with verbal abuse might be satisfying, but it doesn't make them go away, and it usually doesn't change how they act, either.

Every time the astronomers begin to calculate how they might come up with protecting earth from an impending asteroid collision, they conclude that a big explosion would probably just make many small collisions. Usually, they decide that gentle pushes in the right direction would work best.

I think that approach works best with people, too.

 

[treemandan]

Leave poor ol' FTA alone. He's not hurting anybody. It's a fair question.

On the other hand, technical questions like this belong in Arborist 101. That's where the folks hang out that LIKE to answer those questions.

Commercial Tree care & climbing is where you go to post your stories or (most recently) pick fights with all the other huge ego's.

not hurting anybody? I guess you've not seen his drill? catch my drift?

 

[pdqdl]

Yeah, and I used to own a Tanaka gas drill just like that one. It too, disappeared, but that was 10 years ago. But he didn't really relate where it came from, or how he got it, he was just proud of the price he paid.

I did much better than that a couple of times. I once got a Stihl 066 in practically new condition for $200, with a 36" bar. I was pretty convinced it was a stolen saw until I talked at length to the climber that was selling it.

Sometimes you just get lucky.

 

[treemandan]

Yeah, and I used to own a Tanaka gas drill just like that one. It too, disappeared, but that was 10 years ago. But he didn't really relate where it came from, or how he got it, he was just proud of the price he paid.

I did much better than that a couple of times. I once got a Stihl 066 in practically new condition for $200, with a 36" bar. I was pretty convinced it was a stolen saw until I talked at length to the climber that was selling it.

Sometimes you just get lucky.

You missed my point entirely. The man is a danger to himself and anybody around him... especially with that drill in his hand.

 

[jomoco]

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OK. FTA probably isn't the most popular guy around here. Beating folks on the head with verbal abuse might be satisfying, but it doesn't make them go away, and it usually doesn't change how they act, either.

Every time the astronomers begin to calculate how they might come up with protecting earth from an impending asteroid collision, they conclude that a big explosion would probably just make many small collisions. Usually, they decide that gentle pushes in the right direction would work best.

I think that approach works best with people, too.

That's generally true I'm sure PDQL, but FTA is too cheap to buy a twenty dollar western garden book, and that tells me all I need to know about his dedication to his profession and customers. His myroporum bush is actually infested with thrips, and he'd know that if he bought a friggin twenty dollar book. But he'll never know cuz he's too smart tu read.

jomoco

 

[pdqdl]

Oh yeahh, I remember your point now.

Ok. But what the heck, there are so many people out there that are a risk to everybody else, I don't get too excited about that.

I was a huge risk once, and I outgrew it. Maybe FTA will too.


Good story: The first tree job I ever did was trimming a walnut away from a building. I had bought a set of spurs, an old leather & rope climbing belt that I rehabilitated by splicing a new rope through to fit me, and I had one nylon 3-strand rope to climb & rig with. I had never even SEEN someone else climb a tree, much less do it myself.

One of my guys went sailing 10'-15' through the air, holding a falling chunk of wood when he wrapped it around his waist! It's funny to think about now, but he could have been hurt real good. Such is ignorance.

You can't eliminate ignorance, you can only educate it.

 

[pdqdl]

... and he'd know that if he bought a friggin twenty dollar book. But he'll never know cuz he's too smart tu read.

jomoco

If I knew the information you did, and had your insight, I might have told him "the answer to your question is on page X of book XYZ". I would have been sure to include directions where to get the book, too.

I guess I just am not as antagonistic as you guys. Geez, look at all problems Ekka & OOMT are having. Although sometimes it makes for good reading!





[or Ekka and nearly everyone else!]

 

[jomoco]

If I knew the information you did, and had your insight, I might have told him "the answer to your question is on page X of book XYZ". I would have been sure to include directions where to get the book, too.

I guess I just am not as antagonistic as you guys. Geez, look at all problems Ekka & OOMT are having. Although sometimes it makes for good reading!





[or Ekka and nearly everyone else!]

So FTA can walts up to his customer tomorrow like a real CA, saying your myroporum is infested with thrips and needs imidacloprid injections?

That's what FTA wants his customers to think, but we both know it's a lie, and you can bet he's charging CA rates as he BS's his clients. The reality is he don't even know the names of the trees he's diagnosing.

Until he shows me a western garden book, he's just another cheap hack to me.

jomoco

 

[pdqdl]

He certainly seems to like being in the spotlight at AS, doesn't he?



FTA: before you go recommending imacloprid injections to the customer, see if you can figure out how many ways it can be applied to the plant and still get the job done.

Then look up what other insecticides might be the recommended solution for that plant.

Let us know what cultural practices might discourage the problem. Including some info about the life cycle of the pests might be important here, too.

Then put up a report here at AS with your findings. My bet is that some of the guys might lighten up on you if you do some homework.

 

[outofmytree]

So FTA can walts up to his customer tomorrow like a real CA, saying your myroporum is infested with thrips and needs imidacloprid injections?

That's what FTA wants his customers to think, but we both know it's a lie, and you can bet he's charging CA rates as he BS's his clients. The reality is he don't even know the names of the trees he's diagnosing.

Until he shows me a western garden book, he's just another cheap hack to me.

jomoco

Did a quick search on Imidacloprid and possible none target killing of beneficial insects but came up only with some "possibility" of harm to bees via pollen intake. I have been away from insecticide applications for over 10 years so have you guys come across any literature or even first hand experience of "collateral damage"? I ask because we have an ongoing issue with soft scale in syzygium hedges over here....

 

[jefflovstrom]

I wasn't going to answer him, Jon, because he is going to do just what you said. I even offered to give him one of my sunset books but he ignored the offer.
Jeff

 

[John Paul Sanborn]

Even the rankest amateur gardner in San Diego could recognize FTA's bush as a myroporum heavily infested with psyllid.

Is it so common that you can easily thrip over it?