where's all the women at??????

[TheTreeSpyder]

i never took it as you busting my chops etc.; for i was not portraying myself! Everything you said was inline, and actually the type of response, insight and nausea my lil sarc-ass-tic butt, was trying to elicit; though not from an 'un-involved' previously user, let alone lady spirit!

My biggest regret was that i was unable to get you to read a PM and had no email access to let you know what was up before you read it it as i did with CJ!

 

[Tim Gardner]

I worked with a crew a few weeks ago that had a female groundie and a female driver. The female groundie is the one in the picture to my left with the white hard hat and white shirt. I feel like she was one of the hardest working people on the crew.

 

[Crispin Hoar]

Don't know any female climbers, but I do work with several women in the hort. field. My 11 year old daughter is becoming an excellent climber. Only 5 years until she can get a job climbing during summer break and weekends if she decides to. I look forward to working beside any women. My wife won't climb something about a fear.

 

[ORclimber]

I know some women that do/did line clearance. One fell out of a tree and broke her back several years ago and is a utility forester now. On the residential side, saw some with potential get run off. Sadly still too much of a threat to some guys' masculinity to work along side a woman.

 

[Tim Gardner]

OR, I agree that some guys are still threatened by women in the normally guy’s workplace. However, as a guy I have had to learn to take a lot of crap and put up with joking and kidding that didn’t sound like joking at first. Maybe women are just not accustomed to the way guys interact with each other and feel like it is an attack of some kind. If women want to work in areas that are predominately men then they need to toughen up more than just their muscles.

 

[ORclimber]

Tim, your right, But how many of your coworkers have tried to get you into the chips. Women have to be mentally tougher than men to make it as climbers. I've seen women that could put up with the crap, and work hard, only to be given the silent treatment and no climb time.

 

[treeman82]

I met a woman who owns a consulting firm. A company owned and operated completely by women. I think there are 3 employees? 2 owners / 1 employee? All they do is consulting, no commercial work. However, one owner is very much into competing in the ISA competitions.

 

[Tim Gardner]

Guys get hit on by guys too. The mental damage is worse for a man when he gets hit on by a guy I am sure. If a woman can not handle being hit on by a coworker then how can you trust her to take on a large removal with rigging? If the guy got physical with her then the police should have gotten involved. I am not saying that it is ok for someone to make a pass at a coworker but if women want to be treated equal they need to get over something that was said and move on to the task at hand and not cry about it. Guys have a tendency to give someone a ration of crap to see how tough they are. Are women not tough enough? I can see it now, "ok guys whatch what you say to the climber or her feelings might get hurt and we will not finish today".

Just because a climber is male does not insure he will get air time. At one company I worked for I was ten times better than the climber there but I got almost no air time. Men have to put up with a lot more crap on the job than women will ever have to. I guess you think no men have ever gotten fed up with the way they were treated and quit their job?

Women just need to realize that this is the way it is and change their way of thinking. I wish the whole country would have made a big stink about it and tried to change the way people act when I was younger and felt like the crew was being mean to me. I figured out fast that the world was not going to change for me and that I was the one that had to. By giving women special treatment on the job means that they are not as worthy of the job. How can someone be treated equal and at the same time be treated special?

 

[Striker]

I have worked with women and for women and have usually enjoyed the experience. I guess i tend to becareful what I say to people whether male or female till I get to know them a little. Though i have seen times when even the most innocent remark can be misconstrued. I guess it pays to becareful when dealing with people.

 

[Stumper]

This stuff kind of cuts both ways-though I think that the prejudices are more pronounced for women the preferences in public contracts favor female contractors. None of it is fair.
Then there was the guy I know who lost his foreman to a female competitor. It seems that she offered some special off hour perks.

 

[Stumper]

No-glad I wasn't offered the temptation! She was rather nicely assembled.

 

[rborist1]

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