who makes the best diesel truck?

[04ultra]

What question have I not answered?

Why dont you like the almighty Dodge Trucks????

 

[BIG JAKE]

You're right there with Peacock... Don't answer questions... Reminds me of Obama.

I HAD a daily driving puller truck, it was my 98, and no matter what you say, your Chevy COULD NOT have kept up with it, and yes, it was built to the hilt. I'd love to come down where ever you are, and if you really want to get something set up, check out http://www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/chickenlight . Thats the Upstate Bombers Diesel Forum, you can really talk trucks there, and the guys are local. I will not however enter my 97 in a truck pull, I have to drive the thing home, so if something happens to break, it puts me in a bind, and to be honest, while it would do fine in the stock class, most of it comes down to the driver (I've seen guys with half as much HP beat guys with much more money in their trucks, simply because they know how to pull), and I don't have any experience pulling with my setup. You took 3rd with you're truck, but what trucks won? Which pull was it, because I can find the results.

So here are the questions:
1. Cummins' are transplanted into PS Fords, and DM Chevy's (along with a million other things), why aren't D-Max's planted into Dodges or Fords?
2. Where are you located? What part of the state, I'd love to go down and drink some beers and have a little competition, but I don't exactly have free time available whenever, I work 2 jobs and go to school full time.
3. If IFS is so good under the Chevy, why is it guys swap to Solid axles quite regularly?
4. If Dodge can't compete with the Chevy anymore as you say, then why do Cummins powered Dodges still hold the fastest 1/4 miles times, dominate every pulling circuit in the country, and have the greatest aftermarket support?

Again, I'm not saying Chevy is a bad truck, or that the D-Max isn't a good motor, but you ARE saying that Dodge builds a crappy truck, and that's so far from the truth you sound like a politician :biggrinbounce2: .

Oh yeah, and all 3 of my trucks are paid for, and I'm quite happy with them... That's what makes them the best in my eyes.

Answer:
1. No trucks in salvage yard (as in still running)
2. Yep-parts are expensive
3. No one I know with a Dmax has even entertained the idea. Maybe you should go to a baja race and see how many solid axles are running there.
4. Because they've been around longer?

I love my 02 duramax. Best ride, Allison is awesome-exactly what I want and need. But all three are world class-drive whatever suits you I don't think you can go wrong.

 

[Peacock]

Why dont you like the almighty Dodge Trucks????

I admit a huge grudge.:hmm3grin2orange:

I tease our Dodge techs about the Ram horn tatoo's they all have on their inner thighs that comes with working on Dodge cars/trucks.:biggrinbounce2:

 

[motoroilmccall]

What question have I not answered?

Why Cummins are transplanted into everything, while D-Max's aren't... I know the answer already, so whatever...

BIG JAKE, We have a lot of scrap yards up here in the rust belt, you can't find Dodge Diesels anywhere, I know, I've had to look for parts for them, like T-Cases, motor mounts, and wiring harnesses, you can't find a thing. However, there are a lot of used B-Series motors around in old school buses, most of them scrapped because the Allison 545 behind them blew out. I work as much as I do to take care of my family and my hobbies, one of which being my saws, I'm sure even you can respect that, and I go to school full time to better myself, and perhaps one day get a job that'll support me through retirement, isn't that what we all want? I've seen plenty of GM trucks with Solid axles under them, even a few ex diesel's (mostly 6.5's, but there are at least 2 in NY that HAD D-Max's and went to Cummins, with solid axle fronts). Baja isn't street driving, or towing, but they sure do use a lot of solid axles in the rear... They use front ends that cost more than 3 new trucks combined, and in off-road racing, unsprung weight is the enemy, so IFS is used in MOST applications. How many Mack, Western Star, Volvo, Freightliner, etc, etc, etc, trucks do you see with IFS? NONE. How many rock crawler rigs do you see with IFS? NONE. How many full blown pulling trucks do you see with IFS? There might be a handful, but the vast majority are solid axle, solid suspension fronts. IFS will NEVER be stronger than a solid front axle, there are just too many moving parts, and joints to fail. How does the length of time that Dodge/Cummins have been around have anything to do with winning? Toyota has been in NCTS (NASCAR truck series) for just a few years, and is dominating. Guys are dumping 2-3 times more money into the GM trucks to compete with Cummins powered Dodges, and yes, some are winning, but wait until the Dodge guys start sinking the same amount into a truck, then compare them. And anyone who doesn't believe the old 12V Cummins are the most capable, dependable engine ever put into a P/U is ignorant... There is a reason the DHRA allows dual CP3 pumps in pulling classes, but nothing bigger than a P-Pump.

 

[Peacock]

Why Cummins are transplanted into everything, while D-Max's aren't... I know the answer already, so whatever...

My guess is because it's much easier swap. Also, they are much more plentiful.

 

[04ultra]

Why Cummins are transplanted into everything, while D-Max's aren't... I know the answer already, so whatever...

BIG JAKE, We have a lot of scrap yards up here in the rust belt, you can't find Dodge Diesels anywhere, I know, I've had to look for parts for them, like T-Cases, motor mounts, and wiring harnesses, you can't find a thing. However, there are a lot of used B-Series motors around in old school buses, most of them scrapped because the Allison 545 behind them blew out. I work as much as I do to take care of my family and my hobbies, one of which being my saws, I'm sure even you can respect that, and I go to school full time to better myself, and perhaps one day get a job that'll support me through retirement, isn't that what we all want? I've seen plenty of GM trucks with Solid axles under them, even a few ex diesel's (mostly 6.5's, but there are at least 2 in NY that HAD D-Max's and went to Cummins, with solid axle fronts). Baja isn't street driving, or towing, but they sure do use a lot of solid axles in the rear... They use front ends that cost more than 3 new trucks combined, and in off-road racing, unsprung weight is the enemy, so IFS is used in MOST applications. How many Mack, Western Star, Volvo, Freightliner, etc, etc, etc, trucks do you see with IFS? NONE. How many rock crawler rigs do you see with IFS? NONE. How many full blown pulling trucks do you see with IFS? There might be a handful, but the vast majority are solid axle, solid suspension fronts. IFS will NEVER be stronger than a solid front axle, there are just too many moving parts, and joints to fail. How does the length of time that Dodge/Cummins have been around have anything to do with winning? Toyota has been in NCTS (NASCAR truck series) for just a few years, and is dominating. Guys are dumping 2-3 times more money into the GM trucks to compete with Cummins powered Dodges, and yes, some are winning, but wait until the Dodge guys start sinking the same amount into a truck, then compare them. And anyone who doesn't believe the old 12V Cummins are the most capable, dependable engine ever put into a P/U is ignorant... There is a reason the DHRA allows dual CP3 pumps in pulling classes, but nothing bigger than a P-Pump.

Stock road ready make mine a D-Max ........

Leaf spring/king pin is cheap to build...................


Whats the deal with the 98 1/2 to 2002 cummins.............Are they the black sheep???


IMO I would rather drive a IFS across country in a pickup than a bouncy solid axle....But then again I like to eat breakfast and not wear it ...:hmm3grin2orange: :hmm3grin2orange:



Im still wondering if Dodge/Cummins will be made in the future.....

 

[newby79]

Toyota has been in NCTS (NASCAR truck series) for just a few years, and is dominating.

Toyota is dominating because there engines are not held to the same standards as dodge and chevy. Nascar feared that it would take a couple of years for the toyo teams to catch up so they gave them a little help. If you knew anything about nascar you would know that they are already planning to take the "help" away next season. this is why the toyo's have about 25 to 30 hp on the field. And even with that it looks like the cup will be going to a chevy again.
:greenchainsaw:

 

[motoroilmccall]

Toyota is dominating because there engines are not held to the same standards as dodge and chevy. Nascar feared that it would take a couple of years for the toyo teams to catch up so they gave them a little help. If you knew anything about nascar you would know that they are already planning to take the "help" away next season. this is why the toyo's have about 25 to 30 hp on the field. And even with that it looks like the cup will be going to a chevy again.
:greenchainsaw:

Yet they dominated the sprint cup series as well, even without some of the best teams and drivers. And yes, the cup will be going to a Chevy again... Honestly after they took the win away from Smith and gave it to Stewart I knew NASCAR was a sham, sorry if you don't think so, just my opinion.

Ultra, the 98.5-02 were the VP44 trucks, not exactly top dog of the Cummins productions. Not horrible, but not great. I put them somewhere above the 6.0 and 6.4, and below the D-Max or other Cummins mills. Guys complain about the pumps failing, but Carter is mostly to blame, the lift pumps fail, provide no fuel pressure to the injection pump, they lose lubrication, and burn up. The Carter lift pumps were junk, most guys replace them with an aftermarket unit and never have a problem. My 99 has 200K miles on it on the original pump, but I have a Haisley lift pump on it to supplement the Carter.

I don't mind the ride in any of my trucks, although an unloaded 1 ton will bruise a kidney on the way to the landing. It isn't as plush as a Chevy, but it lasts longer, and it is a truck after all. If I wanted a nice ride I'd be driving a Lexus...

Peacock, there are plenty of D-Max donor motors to be found, just gotta know where to look. And I don't believe for a second that a 1200lb, 4ft long Cummins is easier to transplant than a 3ft long, 750lb D-Max. If you're talking electronics wise, then sure, a 12V is easier to swap in, but a CR Cummins is about as easy to wire as a D-Max, so that point is nil too.

 

[newby79]

Yet they dominated the sprint cup series as well, even without some of the best teams and drivers. And yes, the cup will be going to a Chevy again... Honestly after they took the win away from Smith and gave it to Stewart I knew NASCAR was a sham, sorry if you don't think so, just my opinion.

I was talking about the sprint cup I did not see you were talking about the trucks sorry for the confusion.

 

[motoroilmccall]

I was talking about the sprint cup I did not see you were talking about the trucks sorry for the confusion.

Not a big deal, actually, you can talk about both and Toyota still did well for being so young in the sport (I hate Toyota BTW, the company, not their vehicles, although I despise some of those as well...)

 

[04ultra]

Hey I can get a 2001 Dodge 3/4 ext 4x4 Cummins auto for 9000.00 with 92,000 miles .......Is that a great deal????

 

[Peacock]

Hey I can get a 2001 Dodge 3/4 ext 4x4 Cummins auto for 9000.00 with 92,000 miles .......Is that a great deal????

Only if you can swap in a Duramax/Allison.

:greenchainsaw:

 

[motoroilmccall]

Hey I can get a 2001 Dodge 3/4 ext 4x4 Cummins auto for 9000.00 with 92,000 miles .......Is that a great deal????

2 years ago I would have said yes... Its not a bad deal by any means, but in this market I think you can do better. Of course, it depends on where you are. My buddy has an 03 2500 4x4 D-Max he's trying to dump after just 67K miles, wants my Dodge but I won't give it up. $12,000 and he still can't find a buyer. Market just ain't what it used to be.

 

[eric_271]

Only if you can swap in a Duramax/Allison.

:greenchainsaw:

Why degrade the dodge?:deadhorse:

 

[Peacock]

Why degrade the dodge?:deadhorse:

Who said anything about degrading a Dodge. I just mentioned putting in the most powerful and refined diesel currently available.

 

[eric_271]

Who said anything about degrading a Dodge. I just mentioned putting in the most powerful and refined diesel currently available.

The computer was tweaked to give it more advertized H.P. You think Dodge cant do the same for an extra 15 H.P.. It had to be refined, they were putting to much H.P. to a light duty engine.:hmm3grin2orange:

 

[04ultra]

2 years ago I would have said yes... Its not a bad deal by any means, but in this market I think you can do better. Of course, it depends on where you are. My buddy has an 03 2500 4x4 D-Max he's trying to dump after just 67K miles, wants my Dodge but I won't give it up. $12,000 and he still can't find a buyer. Market just ain't what it used to be.

Well it really isnt a good deal.......needs tires, brakes , pump and injector work and front end parts......He just said they wanted over 5000.00 to get her up to snuff.... Is it true that a pump and injectors for 2500.00 installed??


I guess you could add a big stereo to kill the drone noise in the cab on the hi-way too

 

[Kennygee]

If I could BUILD a truck it would be a Ford F-350 with a Cummins engine with the new Duramax Allison auto trans. Sadly no such animal exist on the dealer lots but some have been built by individuals. Until the Fords get better front end ,the Duramax more balls, and the Dodges get rid of that terrible cat thing i won't buy a diesel. My .02 Worth

 

[custom8726]

You're right there with Peacock... Don't answer questions... Reminds me of Obama.

I HAD a daily driving puller truck, it was my 98, and no matter what you say, your Chevy COULD NOT have kept up with it, and yes, it was built to the hilt. I'd love to come down where ever you are, and if you really want to get something set up, check out http://www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/chickenlight . Thats the Upstate Bombers Diesel Forum, you can really talk trucks there, and the guys are local. I will not however enter my 97 in a truck pull, I have to drive the thing home, so if something happens to break, it puts me in a bind, and to be honest, while it would do fine in the stock class, most of it comes down to the driver (I've seen guys with half as much HP beat guys with much more money in their trucks, simply because they know how to pull), and I don't have any experience pulling with my setup. You took 3rd with you're truck, but what trucks won? Which pull was it, because I can find the results.

So here are the questions:
1. Cummins' are transplanted into PS Fords, and DM Chevy's (along with a million other things), why aren't D-Max's planted into Dodges or Fords?
2. Where are you located? What part of the state, I'd love to go down and drink some beers and have a little competition, but I don't exactly have free time available whenever, I work 2 jobs and go to school full time.
3. If IFS is so good under the Chevy, why is it guys swap to Solid axles quite regularly?
4. If Dodge can't compete with the Chevy anymore as you say, then why do Cummins powered Dodges still hold the fastest 1/4 miles times, dominate every pulling circuit in the country, and have the greatest aftermarket support?

Again, I'm not saying Chevy is a bad truck, or that the D-Max isn't a good motor, but you ARE saying that Dodge builds a crappy truck, and that's so far from the truth you sound like a politician :biggrinbounce2: .

Oh yeah, and all 3 of my trucks are paid for, and I'm quite happy with them... That's what makes them the best in my eyes.

I have been a member of dieselbombers since its beginings, and I am also a member of 3 other diesel forums so I think Im getting pretty up to date info.

The truck pull I got third in was YURKEWECZ OUTLAW TRUCK PULLS just off the Fonda/fultonville exit, feel free to look it up or I can post a pic of the plaque if you need more proof. This was the first (TRANSITION SLED) pull I ever entered so there goes another one of your expert theories. I have answered all your questions you just need to stop the mindless babling long enough to comprehend some one elses opinion for once. Also I never said a strait axle was not better then a IFS it is hands down, I simply said with some minor aftermarket goodies you can make the IFS pretty dam strong IMO.. Ok next, Cummins have been around 3 times as long as the duramax making aftermarket parts cheaper and more available hence more donor motors and such for different transplants. plus its a good motor and way cheaper and readily available so why not use a cummins? More and more duramax's are making there way into projects you just do not hear about as many because the D-max is only 7 yrs old. As far as your last statement again I never said the cummins could not compete with the D-max it can but its days are numbered if cummins does not step up its game. The dodge on the other hand can't compete with the chevy on any LeVeL.

 

[custom8726]

If I could BUILD a truck it would be a Ford F-350 with a Cummins engine with the new Duramax Allison auto trans. Sadly no such animal exist on the dealer lots but some have been built by individuals. Until the Fords get better front end ,the Duramax more balls, and the Dodges get rid of that terrible cat thing i won't buy a diesel. My .02 Worth

That cat thing is the DPF and its on all the new diesel pick ups regardless of brand. Duramax more balls? Its got the most factory power out of all of them so I think you have been misinformed.