who makes the best diesel truck?
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Peacock
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Tell that to one of our formen that showed up in a new cummins dodge. His personal truck is a duramax chevy. The company pays for these pickups and lets them pick brand and make of their choice. He had nothing but praise for the new dodge.
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I think the best truck is the one you own and is paid for and your happy with it. Regardless of brand.
Peacock
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http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/2007/shootout/hdshootout9mpg.html
One-Ton Diesel Pickups 15% Grade Assessment:
If we were directing marketing for GM, here's how we'd pitch its diesel motor. D for Duramax. D for dominant. Check out the how fast the Chevy finished the hill climb - more than 5-mph faster and over 2 seconds quicker than either the Ford or Dodge haulers! This time it even beat the Cummins in the first 50-meters.
Though the Power Stroke was still slower than the Cummins to the top, the gap between those two engines narrowed substantially on the 15% grade, in favor of the Ford. If the F-350 and Ram 3500 both had 3.73 rear gear ratios, instead of the Ram's 4.10, we think the F-350 almost certainly would have moved into the second spot.
But there was an incredibly interesting reason why the performance gap between the F-350 and Ram 3500 seemed to close so much. After two sprints up the hill, the F-350's diesel particulate filter (DPF) went into regeneration mode. The DPF is a new emissions control device required to reduce diesel particulate emissions 10-fold from 2006 model year levels. Regeneration is triggered when the truck senses too much back pressure from the DPF, because of a large amount of trapped particulates. To get rid of the soot, the engine injects metered amounts of diesel fuel into the exhaust stream to incinerate the soot in the filter. On the third run, after regenerating, the F-350 ran the hill up to a full 2-kilometers-per-hour (1.2-miles-per-hour) faster than its first two passes.
We were very surprised by the apparent power boost the Power Stroke received from regeneration. It illustrated just how much the new DPFs can restrict airflow through the exhaust system, and the challenge faced by all the OEMs to improve engine performance while complying with new emissions regulations.
and....
The end result was the Silverado completed its run almost 5-mph (greater than 10%) faster than the F-350 and almost 2.5-mph quicker than the Ram. Wow!
The Duramax lives for climbing hills under load. We'd feel very comfortable calling on its power if we needed to pass slower moving traffic up a long, steep grade.
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Huh huh huh, I used to own and drive chevy pick ups, stop the sales pitch already. With 8 cylinders the duramax only beat the 6 cylinder dodge by only 2.5 seconds? Hardly anything to brag about unless the duramax has been sucking hind tit all along, then wow is still a bit of over statment for just 2.5 seconds differance . Personally I prefer the prestige, power and dependability of the cummins dodge. Duramax? A thought up name to try to get people to buy chevy pick ups again.
custom8726
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If anyone is local and up for some real world test's I would be more then happy to put either of my duramax's to any comparible diesel 3/4 ton test. Talks cheap, I know for a fact I have out pulled many dodges and fords with my duramax's. There is no comparison in comfort or speed when it comes to the duramax it wins hands down. So whats left? a strait axle and better factory from the other 2, big wow.
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Peacock
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Huh huh huh, I used to own and drive chevy pick ups, stop the sales pitch already. With 8 cylinders the duramax only beat the 6 cylinder dodge by only 2.5 seconds? Hardly anything to brag about unless the duramax has been sucking hind tit all along, then wow is still a bit of over statment for just 2.5 seconds differance . Personally I prefer the prestige, power and dependability of the cummins dodge. Duramax? A thought up name to try to get people to buy chevy pick ups again.
Did you even click the link? Over that short distance 2.5 seconds is a butt whoopin'.
What does number of cylinders have to do with it? Last I checked, over the road trucks with 80k loads have I6 engines. It sounds like an excuse to me.
motoroilmccall
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Thats because an I6 is the best configuration in a Diesel engine, and IMO the best configuration period for towing and longevity. And if you agree with me, why does GM continue to use a V8? I have a few tractors with big Diesels, and while the 903 V-8 Cummins a decent motor, it doesn't have near the power, reliability, or longevity that any of my 855's (I6) have.
I don't understand how you can read one test and say that the Chevy is better... That just shows ignorance. The Dodge came with 4.10's, which mean its shifting a lot more often than the Chevy, one extra shift could drop the truck down one gear, leaving the truck accelerating slower at the end of the run than the Chevy. That gearing also doesn't play to the strengths of the truck, sure it helps get a load moving, but after that its a waste. The Dodge won the unloaded test however, what do you have to say about that?
Custom, I'll run ya if you're willing. But keep in mind, I have a stick shift. I WON'T outpull you from a dead stop, to long to shift, and my turbo looses boost (has to re-spool) every time I shift (nature of a real transmission). From a roll however (like real world highway hauling) I'll leave you in the dust without even downshifting. Then if you want, we can hit the trails, and I'll show you why a solid axle is so important... and if you really need to see which truck is stronger, we can play chicken and see who wins.
I don't understand how you can read one test and say that the Chevy is better... That just shows ignorance. The Dodge came with 4.10's, which mean its shifting a lot more often than the Chevy, one extra shift could drop the truck down one gear, leaving the truck accelerating slower at the end of the run than the Chevy. That gearing also doesn't play to the strengths of the truck, sure it helps get a load moving, but after that its a waste. The Dodge won the unloaded test however, what do you have to say about that?
Custom, I'll run ya if you're willing. But keep in mind, I have a stick shift. I WON'T outpull you from a dead stop, to long to shift, and my turbo looses boost (has to re-spool) every time I shift (nature of a real transmission). From a roll however (like real world highway hauling) I'll leave you in the dust without even downshifting. Then if you want, we can hit the trails, and I'll show you why a solid axle is so important... and if you really need to see which truck is stronger, we can play chicken and see who wins.
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Peacock
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Thats because an I6 is the best configuration in a Diesel engine, and IMO the best configuration period for towing and longevity. And if you agree with me, why does GM continue to use a V8? I have a few tractors with big Diesels, and while the 903 V-8 Cummins a decent motor, it doesn't have near the power, reliability, or longevity that any of my 855's (I6) have.
I don't understand how you can read one test and say that the Chevy is better... That just shows ignorance. The Dodge came with 4.10's, which mean its shifting a lot more often than the Chevy, one extra shift could drop the truck down one gear, leaving the truck accelerating slower at the end of the run than the Chevy. That gearing also doesn't play to the strengths of the truck, sure it helps get a load moving, but after that its a waste. The Dodge won the unloaded test however, what do you have to say about that?
Custom, I'll run ya if you're willing. But keep in mind, I have a stick shift. I WON'T outpull you from a dead stop, to long to shift, and my turbo looses boost (has to re-spool) every time I shift (nature of a real transmission). From a roll however (like real world highway hauling) I'll leave you in the dust without even downshifting. Then if you want, we can hit the trails, and I'll show you why a solid axle is so important... and if you really need to see which truck is stronger, we can play chicken and see who wins.
Ford and GM use V8's because of packaging.
I would bet that in the 7% and 15% pulls the Dodge does not even shift one more time. Even so, 4.10 gears provide mechanical leverage, regardless of speed. I'd bet with lower gears the gap would be even larger. The Dodge was accelerating slower than the GM at EVERY point of the pulls up the grade. Even at take off.
Yeah, Dodge won the unloaded test. Who cares? The discussion has been about pulling.
custom8726
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Thats because an I6 is the best configuration in a Diesel engine, and IMO the best configuration period for towing and longevity. And if you agree with me, why does GM continue to use a V8? I have a few tractors with big Diesels, and while the 903 V-8 Cummins a decent motor, it doesn't have near the power, reliability, or longevity that any of my 855's (I6) have.
I don't understand how you can read one test and say that the Chevy is better... That just shows ignorance. The Dodge came with 4.10's, which mean its shifting a lot more often than the Chevy, one extra shift could drop the truck down one gear, leaving the truck accelerating slower at the end of the run than the Chevy. That gearing also doesn't play to the strengths of the truck, sure it helps get a load moving, but after that its a waste. The Dodge won the unloaded test however, what do you have to say about that?
Custom, I'll run ya if you're willing. But keep in mind, I have a stick shift. I WON'T outpull you from a dead stop, to long to shift, and my turbo looses boost (has to re-spool) every time I shift (nature of a real transmission). From a roll however (like real world highway hauling) I'll leave you in the dust without even downshifting. Then if you want, we can hit the trails, and I'll show you why a solid axle is so important... and if you really need to see which truck is stronger, we can play chicken and see who wins.
Trust me it does not matter if we do a rolling start or not, Hell I'd even give you a couple second head start pulling a load up a grade and still win with the LLY. Our shop is on a 110 acre parcel full of old logging roads and mud holes. Theres also a perfect grade about 1 mile long not 2 min from the shop for the load test. Come on down and will have us a little diesel jamboree, Ive got a few other buddies that Im sure would get in on it aswell, Mostly fords and a couple cummins that have already been spanked by the duramax but that don't stop them from trying. Or better yet enter that thing in one of the local pulls. I will be attending quite a few regardless. I got 3rd in the last one I entered a month ago (8.5k outlaw class) And was the only one in the top 3 that drove my truck 90 miles there and then back home at the end of the night. First and second place were trailered in and were dedicated pullers only... The funny thing is, even if you actually did show up, you would come up with a million reasons why your precious cummins lost because in your mind its inconceivable for a dodge to lose to a chevy, sorry to say its just not the case ANYMORE
Do you think 10 hp made the 2.5 second differance? Just asking. Is this the same test where the duramax lives to pull an empty car trailer up hill?
Peacock
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No, Ford and GM use V8's because Dodge beat them to the Cummins.
Ha!
Any of them would love the Cummins badge on the side of their truck. It's a great selling point.
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motoroilmccall
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You're right there with Peacock... Don't answer questions... Reminds me of Obama.
I HAD a daily driving puller truck, it was my 98, and no matter what you say, your Chevy COULD NOT have kept up with it, and yes, it was built to the hilt. I'd love to come down where ever you are, and if you really want to get something set up, check out http://www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/chickenlight . Thats the Upstate Bombers Diesel Forum, you can really talk trucks there, and the guys are local. I will not however enter my 97 in a truck pull, I have to drive the thing home, so if something happens to break, it puts me in a bind, and to be honest, while it would do fine in the stock class, most of it comes down to the driver (I've seen guys with half as much HP beat guys with much more money in their trucks, simply because they know how to pull), and I don't have any experience pulling with my setup. You took 3rd with you're truck, but what trucks won? Which pull was it, because I can find the results.
So here are the questions:
1. Cummins' are transplanted into PS Fords, and DM Chevy's (along with a million other things), why aren't D-Max's planted into Dodges or Fords?
2. Where are you located? What part of the state, I'd love to go down and drink some beers and have a little competition, but I don't exactly have free time available whenever, I work 2 jobs and go to school full time.
3. If IFS is so good under the Chevy, why is it guys swap to Solid axles quite regularly?
4. If Dodge can't compete with the Chevy anymore as you say, then why do Cummins powered Dodges still hold the fastest 1/4 miles times, dominate every pulling circuit in the country, and have the greatest aftermarket support?
Again, I'm not saying Chevy is a bad truck, or that the D-Max isn't a good motor, but you ARE saying that Dodge builds a crappy truck, and that's so far from the truth you sound like a politician :biggrinbounce2: .
Oh yeah, and all 3 of my trucks are paid for, and I'm quite happy with them... That's what makes them the best in my eyes.
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Peacock
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What question have I not answered?
