You can have all mine. Got ten gallons now that needs to go. And i know the sideway 40 can't be that far away.
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who makes the best diesel truck?
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got tenants that operate a transmission shop and a garage. plus my brother owns a repair shop.
it's waste veggie oil that's hard to find due to all the folks chasing it for bio diesel.
it's waste veggie oil that's hard to find due to all the folks chasing it for bio diesel.
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motoroilmccall
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Blocks leaking coolant from porosity? Maybe you're thinking of the 53 blocks that were junk back in the late 90's, which cracked under the exhaust manifold, and those only effected a few thousand trucks. I've NEVER seen a CR with a bad block. The Cummins CR's also have had the least of the injector issues compared to the D-Max, with the Ford PS being the absolute worst. And then of course you have headgasket issues with the D-Max, and the cooling issue's that many of the early D'Max's had. They couldn't pull a load without overheating and going into limp mode, getting passed by trucks half their size pulling bigger loads.
Stock pulling classes have been about dead even for the last 3 years (around here anyways, I don't follow it around the country). In fact, I've seen stock Fords win. However, you fail to mention that even in stock form, the GM trucks are breaking front end parts when pulling, specifically tie rod ends and CV joints. All the while the Ford and Dodge trucks are cruising down the track without worry of breaking a thing.
I have 2 12V's a 97 2500 4x4 5-spd, and a 98 3500 4x4 5-spd. the 98 was putting out about 550HP on an HX55 turbo by J Adkins, running 17* timing and it never missed a beat. The 97 had some headgasket issues after 300K miles, but now that its studded and O-Ringed it's holding 45lbs of boost no problem, putting out around 430HP, and capable of much more. I also have a 99 24V 2500 4x4, which is stock with just over 200K miles, its never had a fuel issue besides needing the preheater bowl replaced when the heater shorted out (overcharged the battery... oops). It does however have a Haisley lift pump on it, and has since about 45K miles. The stock lift pump is still working amazingly, but I'm sure not taxing it is giving it more life.
The Cummins is the only Medium duty engine of the bunch, its the only engine that can handle over 1000HP on stock internals, and its the only one with a 6 cylinder design, which has been proven the most reliable design for 80 years.
The new EGR equipped trucks all have bugs, just go ask for Ford technician... They'll all get the bugs worked out after a few years.
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Yep. According a a Cummins engineer that came to look at one it's just that. They just start seeping and oozing out the side of the block, generally under the intake.
I've been to the Columbus plant with some friends that work there and they say the same thing. Seems to have been randomly on models up through ~'01.
I think we've done 3 in the 4.5 yrs I've been here. I was at the Ford dealer before that.
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You are in buffalo right? come on down and we can put your cummins to the test!!!:chatter: Don't get me wrong I think the cummins is a great motor but everything that surrounds it is junk. We have 2 D-maxes and 1 powerstroke currently working everyday, well almost everyday, The 04 duramax had to tow the powerstroke loaded to the hilt home the other day after it decided 20k was to much for her. In the fords defense though it has almost 300k on the clock. As far as the tie rods on the duramax they are the weak link when under extreme conditions but its an easy fix $220.00 in HD tie rods and the front end is near bullet proof. As far as the allison its the best tranny bar none of the BIG 3, If you want to run over 500hp there are some modifications needed but under stock power that allison 1000 will last forever.
motoroilmccall
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Come down where? This isn't a pissing match...
To get to your argument, HD tie rod ends are only $220-$300, and they are indeed the weak link, but then you have to worry about CV's unlike the Ford or Dodge, and don't even try to tell me they are as strong, becuase they aren't even close. Everything else on my truck but the engine is garbage huh? Boy you're lucky you ain't here with me. I never reallized the NV4500 (same Chevy used for a long time) was junk, or the Dana driveshafts, or the Dana axles, or even the New Process T-Case... If thats junk your Chevy parts must be scrap. The Allison is a good tranny, tell me where I said it wasn't. But it won't hold over 400HP reliably, just like any of the other tranny's. At 500HP you NEED a Billet TC, Valve Body, and if its a 4x4 you better replace that output shaft thats smaller than my pecker...
Best bar none? Try again... The Aisin is the best, bar none, and thats if you want an automatic, oh, wait, Chevy doesn't offer a REAL transmission anymore does it, you know, one where you actually shift the gears yourself... And how can you claim the 1000 is the best? Have you driven the 68RE equipped trucks? I've driven both, and they both perform equally well, until you flip on the exhaust break (if Chevy actually offered one)... That's where the 68RE makes the difference and shines.
All the stock tranny's are bulletproof if you leave the engine stock, the only thing you'll ever need is a stock rebuild, nothing lasts forever... Clutches wear out in automatic tranny's, even the Allison, so its certainly not going to last forever.
You seem to be good at putting down other people's trucks, but have no leg to stand on to prop up Chevy's. Yes the D-Max is a GOOD motor, and excellent for what it was deigned for, but when it gets to major HP applications, it takes a lot more parts, and a lot more money, to compete with big HP Cummins motors.
Kinda like modded saws to stock saws...Will there be a Cummins in a pickup after 2010.....
I like the Cummins but not a Dodge truck ...But thats just my opinion.......
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Peacock
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Agreed. I would likely leave the thing completely stock and quiet. With that in mind I'd drive a Duramax. It's got the most power and torque. The best transmission in a regular 3/4 or 1 ton and the best ride.
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motoroilmccall
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Huh?
Yes there will be a Cummins in a P/U after 2010. Dodge just renewed their contract with them until 2020, and the next generation engine is supposedly marked for around 2013 or 2014.
And modded trucks are nearly as common as stock trucks these days, for a number of reasons. Performance, engine life, and the biggest of late, FUEL ECONOMY. So it does make sense to at least mention it.
If you like quiet and smooth, the GMC or Chevy is what you'll likely want. If you want long life, reliable performance, towing ease, and fuel efficiency, then you'll want a Dodge/Sterling. If you want the biggest, most expensive truck with the worst power, efficiency, and reliability, then you'll want the Ford...
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Stock trucks rule around here.
I've yet to see a 6.7L Cummins out tow a new Duramax. And they certainly aren't any more reliable, engine or otherwise. I don't know about fuel economy of the LMM, but the 6.7L is terrible compared to the past engines. They just don't like the new emmisions crap.
motoroilmccall
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The new 6.7L Cummins and the LMM are both piles compared to pre EGR engines, and that will NEVER change. My buddy has a 08 QC with the 6.7L and the 68RE, he's been getting 18mgp hand calculated in mixed driving, he picked up a full 1.5 mpg's after he hit 30K miles. Only thing he's had is 2 reflashes by the dealer. His parents own a 99 24V with 280K miles, I just replaced the 3rd lift pump in that truck (not too bad if you ask me). Thats a stock 2500 4x4 auto QC LB thats pulled a loaded 26' horse trailer twice a week since they bought it new. Weighs in around 12000-14000 lbs. They are on their second automatic in that truck, but of course they are older and don't abuse the thing. Their other son has a brand new 08 LMM Crew Cab 2500 GMC, he works for a local GMC/Pontiac dealer, and it does pull the trailer from time to time, and pulls it well. He's been getting 16mpg mixed driving, and he drives about the same as his brother. However, it does not like stopping that trailer. Granted, he needs to install a brake controller, but the 6.7L pulls and stops it just as well. Flip the exhaust brake on and the 6.7L tows that trailer leaps and bounds better than the GMC. The GMC has also had the computer reflashed a few times, and he's had a couple of injector issues, all replaced under warranty. Last I knew they replaced all of them under warranty. He's getting a little frustrated. The LMM will smoke the 6.7L down a straight line, by a few lengths actually, but thats if it's running right.
My other buddy owns a landscaping company. Drives a bright red F-450 SD with the 6.4L, with 35K miles he's on his 3rd set of turbo's, and that truck is stock. It has by far the best chassis of the three, but between turbo's, injectors, and head gaskets, that thing is nothing but a boat anchor.
As for my trucks, the 99 gets the best mileage, but for its size and power, the 97 has the best mix. I get 20-22 on the highway, and 18 around town.
My other buddy owns a landscaping company. Drives a bright red F-450 SD with the 6.4L, with 35K miles he's on his 3rd set of turbo's, and that truck is stock. It has by far the best chassis of the three, but between turbo's, injectors, and head gaskets, that thing is nothing but a boat anchor.
As for my trucks, the 99 gets the best mileage, but for its size and power, the 97 has the best mix. I get 20-22 on the highway, and 18 around town.
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Peacock
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Why is anybody pulling 12-14k without a brake controller?
I keep in touch with my old Ford co-workers and the 6.4 seems headed down the same road as the 6.0. I got away from Ford about a year after the 6.0 came out. I had already spent more time doing actual engine repair on them than the 7.3. Mainly just injectors and high pressure oil leaks on the 7.3. Admittedly, I was mainly a tranny guy at Ford.
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motoroilmccall
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6 + 3400 = 3406
add a Fuller
and a couple of Eatons
no problem
Oh... Lol... Should've guessed that.
I'll take the Fuller or Eatons!
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I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but, who makes the best diesel?:biggrinbounce2: :biggrinbounce2:
motoroilmccall
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CAT or Cummins, all depends on what it'll be used for.
